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Old 01-23-2013, 06:42 PM   #46
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Re: Dr. Andrews Using Stem Cells to Speed Recovery??

there's nothing scientifically controversial about stem cells. they work. amazingly well in a lot of cases. I'm not a big fan of burying our collective head in the sand because some people have religious heebeejeebees about even mentioning them (even non embrionic).
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:21 PM   #47
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Yes it is and I had to watch as they did it to my oldest daughter. If you ever have to have it done tell them you want to be knocked out. My duaghter was under pretty good but as we waited for her drugs to kick in I heard several other who must not have taken enough drugs. They drill it out by twisting that green tool into the pelvis bone and then they suck out a sample.

Most likely the sample was taken while he was under anesthesia. And the picture above is of an interosseous kit, basically an IV that goes into the bone, usually the femur, rather than a vein. Us medics use em in the army, since it is easier to screw in the catheter rather than looking for a vein on a soldier that is under 50 lbs of gear, long sleeves and is dehydrated most likely. The process for removing actual bone marrow is a little more delicate than just shoving the corkscrew needle into the bone. Its akin to getting a spinal, just on a different part of the body, and is usually done in the operating room.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #48
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there's nothing scientifically controversial about stem cells. they work. amazingly well in a lot of cases. I'm not a big fan of burying our collective head in the sand because some people have religious heebeejeebees about even mentioning them (even non embrionic).
That was my point above. You put it clearer. Thank you.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:53 PM   #49
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It will never happen. Not on Goodell's watch.
I agree with you - I just don't understand it. The league should support any treatments that help players recover more quickly and/or effectively... It's just good business.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:07 PM   #50
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Hmmm.....a drill into your pelvis......
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:07 PM   #51
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:07 PM   #52
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Another source of stem cells.

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Old 01-23-2013, 09:08 PM   #53
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Wow, if I were Bob Griff, I would find this a little condescending:

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This is also a matter of genetics," Peterson said. "Look at my dad. And my mom's side, my aunts and uncles, they're all ripped. At 50 years old, they've got six packs and eight packs.

"My body just heals differently. I know it has a lot to do with rehabilitation and work ethic -- but I really credit my genetics for my recovery as much as anything else.
I have no problem with the suggestion that Peterson is a genetic marvel. But if I were Griffin I'd be like yo holmes, what am I, chopped liver? There's a reason I can run a 4.3 and win at hurdles and throw a ball on a dime. Jamaal Charles is another example of a lightning-quick-but-wiry athlete coming back strong from an ACL.

Elite athletes tend to heal quickly, and maybe this stem cell treatment has something to do with it. Being an elite athlete and healer is not exclusive to Adrian Peterson.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:17 PM   #54
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This does not sound like a Dr. who is not willing to put his sterling reputation on the line.

(This is a statement from Dr Andrews before the Redskins Seahawks game.)
Ive been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has, Andrews added. Hes doing a lot better this week, but hes still recovering and Im holding my breath because of it.

Remember RG3 was 4 weeks into a "lvl 1 sprain" why so much concern? If he's a nervous wreck then he should not have cleared him for play, yet he did. Pass the butter please...
I am sure he, and any other doctor, holds their breath whenever a player comes back from a sprain. If doctors had their druthers the players would be out 8 weeks for a sprain to make 1000% sure the player was completely healed.

But that's not the reality of the NFL.

I definitely think he should have been pulled once he hurt himself at the end of the first quarter, that was clearly where he did damage to the knee. But entering that game he was 100% ready to play, as evidenced by that first quarter (two quick TDs) despite Andrews' nervous feelings.
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Being cleared to play does not mean a player is fully healed.

A level one LCL sprain can take 3 weeks to 3 months to fully recover from.

Grade I Sprain of the Lateral Collateral Ligament (LCL)

Naturally, Andrews had cause for concern.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:37 AM   #56
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Whats stiking is that you would question why some people are opposed to embryonic stem cell research - whether you agree with their point of view or not.

There was arguably scientific benefit to the horrific research the nazis did experimenting on prisoners in WWII. I hate to use such a extreme comparison to prove a point, as no rational person would equate what the nazis did to embryonic stem cell research, but the underlying principle is the same - Scientists can't just perform research because of the potential benefits. Ethical concerns should be weighed against potential benefits in any type of research.

The reasons many peope oppose research using embryonic stem cells are obvious. Whether you agree with their point of view is entirely another matter, and its entirely reasonable for a person to have no problems with embryonic stem cell research.


The Nazis did horrible things, but the West surely used this research to advance society. The list goes on forever. The research has been used.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:51 AM   #57
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Who wants to bet that Shanny no longer listens to RGIII when it comes to his health again?
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:21 PM   #58
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@JasonColeYahoo Redskins are getting daily video updates of RG3's rehab via Internet. He's already doing movement exercises on knee
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Old 01-24-2013, 01:04 PM   #59
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@JasonColeYahoo Redskins are getting daily video updates of RG3's rehab via Internet. He's already doing movement exercises on knee
That's standard. I was doing motion stuff the next week after my surgery. The pain of leg pressing 10lbs was tough to go though. I think it was more depressing because you struggle just to push 10 or so pounds...lol
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Who wants to bet that Shanny no longer listens to RGIII when it comes to his health again?
im with you on that no way he leaves him in the game again if we ever see the same type of scenario.
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