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Old 01-28-2013, 09:18 PM   #46
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Cousins had a great start against Cleveland but I want to see more before I'm all in with him. Until we see that he's a legit QB I believe the more games RG3 plays the better off we are.
He looked really good but it was against a horrible browns team, I know they r better but it's still Cleveland. Against Atlanta he played poorly but it wasn't a great situation for him.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:07 AM   #47
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Griffin isn't a glass doll, I'd wager good money he lasts more than 5 years.

In fact can anyone name a starting QB in the last 25 years that had a career of 5 years or less due to injury?
Can anybody name a QB from the last 25 years who ran more than RG in a single season? Name an offense more dependent on the QB (specifically) running the ball to be successful? Name one who suffered a concussion and a blown knee in his rookie season?

Seems like we're in new territory on several fronts, and they're not all good (already).

But seriously, I hope this is a moot point. Improve the offense (to protect your franchise QB), improve the pass protection, and teach RG to slide and get out of bounce. We see examples of it across the league. Just do it.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:24 AM   #48
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Can anybody name a QB from the last 25 years who ran more than RG in a single season?
You really need to try a little harder.

Griffin ran 120 times this year.

Newton ran 127 times this year and 126 times last year.

Vick ran 120 times in 2004 and 123 times in 2006.

Tebow ran it 122 times in 2011.

I'm sure there are others.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:57 AM   #49
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This whole Griffin running debate, I'm not thinking much about him running until I know that knee is 100%.

The big question which know one knows the answer to is how will RG3 recover; Like AP(start regular season and completely back to normal)? Like Brady(start regular season but don't get back to normal until after game 4)? Like Ryan Broles (returning midway through the season)? Or like Willis McGahee (don't play at all and debut at 100% the next season)?

Also I have a positive feeling that Kirk, in his 2nd year in the offense and sitting behind Robert, and wanting to get a starting job elsewhere, that he'll come out playing great. So great that there may be even a QB controversy when Robert comes back as to if we should go with the hot hand or the better, more injury prone QB.

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Old 01-29-2013, 05:43 AM   #50
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No one could have envisioned a 350 pound NT slamming into RG3's leg, which was the root of his knee injury. Anyone who has seen that high light knows that was a freak accident. But it happened and that play alone has a lot to do with why RG3 had surgery on his knee. I'm willing to bet RG3 will dive on those runs from now on and get down on the turf....
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:53 AM   #51
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I keep hearing how defensive coordinators will figure out how to defense our scheme in the off season and how that will be a negative for our prospects in 2013.

I submit that our offensive gurus will not be resting on their laurels and will develop schemes the other guys haven't seen yet. So I don't buy the gloom and doom of our offense being "figured out" somehow. I think by the end of next season teams will be trying to copy our defense once again, la DirtyBirds and 49ers, and we will continue to be in the driver's seat.

With the Wilson/Kapernick adulation the media seem to have put us on the back burner. I say good -- we'll be on their front burner again soon enough... It's amazing to think that we were but one Ngata hit away from making it to the Super Bowl. Good times are here to stay!

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I hope you're right; the NFL is a chess game and can be very back and forth. And I have confidence in our coaches to keep up with design, but the competition out there is stiff.

There are other elements to consider of course: how much more conservative with the Shanny's be considering the fear of another RGIII injury? On the other hand, how much of the playbook did they not open up last year because he was a rookie? It really could go either way. I'm not predicting that opposing defenses will figure out ways to limit our offense, but is a concern.
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No one could have envisioned a 350 pound NT slamming into RG3's leg, which was the root of his knee injury. Anyone who has seen that high light knows that was a freak accident. But it happened and that play alone has a lot to do with why RG3 had surgery on his knee. I'm willing to bet RG3 will dive on those runs from now on and get down on the turf....
And pretty far (I think 10 yards) down field! Why is a NT there?
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Griffin isn't a glass doll, I'd wager good money he lasts more than 5 years.

In fact can anyone name a starting QB in the last 25 years that had a career of 5 years or less due to injury?

Agreed. Look, this is an anecdotal observation with practically zero medical support, but I'll say it anyway: I think the initial hit Griffin took to his knee is, if anything, an indication that the man is NOT injury prone. There are some players who can't avoid a knee injury stepping out of bed (Brandon Merriweather, for example). Some players just break easily. The hit Griffin took was nasty and bent his knee something awful, yet the initial injury could have been a lot worse. I think in a lot of guys that would have been a much more significant injury. Of course, as I said, that's with very little medical knowledge on my behalf. But I'm just saying, I think he's resilient.
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I hope you're right; the NFL is a chess game and can be very back and forth. And I have confidence in our coaches to keep up with design, but the competition out there is stiff.

There are other elements to consider of course: how much more conservative with the Shanny's be considering the fear of another RGIII injury? On the other hand, how much of the playbook did they not open up last year because he was a rookie? It really could go either way. I'm not predicting that opposing defenses will figure out ways to limit our offense, but is a concern.
Im completely on the other side, I think its an advantage. Sure pistol read option brought something new to the game for D cordinators to work on, but we ran it flawlessly. It does nothing but put significant stress on defenses in every way, game planning and executing on the field. Im blown away how people are putting a negative spin on this.

Do people seriously think this is the only offense RG3 can run?

Becoming a more pocket passer is a natural progression for any rookie, young QB in the league. Reading defenses, getting timing and rhythm with recievers, advance throwing techniques such as the back shoulder, pocket awareness, etc...all these will improve with experience. Its not hard to see RG3 has the capacity and drive to improve. We will see obviously more pocket passing this year.

Also across multiple threads I keep reading as if RG3's injury is career ending. The guy will come back next year, please chill on this sh*t. Injuries are a part of the game.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:30 AM   #55
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You really need to try a little harder.

Get in line. I'm still trying to get him to explain this.



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Cunningham and Young were much larger/stouter athletes.
Randall Cunningham - 6'4" 215lbs.

Steve Young - 6'2" 215lbs.

Robert Griffin III- 6'2" 217lbs.




Much larger/stouter? Am I missing something here?
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Get in line. I'm still trying to get him to explain this.
Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll hear crickets.
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Agreed. Look, this is an anecdotal observation with practically zero medical support, but I'll say it anyway: I think the initial hit Griffin took to his knee is, if anything, an indication that the man is NOT injury prone. There are some players who can't avoid a knee injury stepping out of bed (Brandon Merriweather, for example). Some players just break easily. The hit Griffin took was nasty and bent his knee something awful, yet the initial injury could have been a lot worse. I think in a lot of guys that would have been a much more significant injury. Of course, as I said, that's with very little medical knowledge on my behalf. But I'm just saying, I think he's resilient.
Absolutely. He played a lot of snaps between the initial knee shot and the surgery, some very effectively. He even got us a 14-point lead in the playoffs on one leg basically. There's a point where no man could keep going and he finally reached it, but up until that point, he showed he's tougher than anyone in football.

His training and work ethic is also impressive and he'll be back like this never happened.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:40 AM   #58
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Get in line. I'm still trying to get him to explain this.
I still do not understand why so many people call him small. 6'2" is not a midget like people make him out to be. He's not fragile-looking either, I've seen him up close in person. He walked right in front of me several times and I was really impressed by his build and how muscular he was. RGIII is a solidly-built, world-class athlete.

Yet, people say he needs to add weight or call him short. Sure, beside Tyler Polumbus and Logan Paulsen, anyone looks small.

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Agreed MD. Dude is built.

He looks small to guys who are 6-4 260 and above. He will come back fine. I believe the guy will be around for years. If a guy like JC can survive in this league for 7+ years then RG III will still be here in his 30s. He is 23 this year.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:04 PM   #60
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This is exactly why you can't bring Fletcher back at a 7.5 mil price tag.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...d-linebackers/


Even a restructure isn't going to work because you dont' want to push money into the future on a 38 year old dude.
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