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Old 01-30-2013, 10:32 PM   #46
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I wont get into the specifics on here out of respect for the Warpath but the quotations obviously state my opinion on the matter.
Well I had relied to your post before you added "NOT"
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:34 PM   #47
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Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:45 PM   #48
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Ok.

You know what makes me sick, the fact that people dehumanize and emasculate men solely because of who they go to bed with at night or who they love. Its none of your business, nor is it mine, its theirs. You know when it does become my business? When stupid people think that the fall of country is due to someone's sexual orientation. My ass. The fall of the country is due to crazy coots thinking that whoever someone loves has any f'ing bearing on anything other than that person's own life.

This country would be a hell of a lot better if people started worrying more about themselves and less about who Joe Schmo is marrying and how that impacts their life. Because it doesn't.

And before anyone calls me out on saying, "Well everyone's entitled to how they feel". Great. They do. Just like I have no problems coming to the defense of my LGBTQ brethren, as I would if someone thought of blacks as threatening the sanctity of America.

Because there was a point of time that we were.

I might end up getting this thread closed because I'm a loud mouthed, bisexual, black woman but you know what. I don't care.

*drops mic. walks off*
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Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins
I always knew cooley was gay!!

Serious note I think this thread may be going south. Seems like it's getting too personal
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Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

* snapping my finger in a zig zag motion...*
I figure its just a way of embracing who you are. I've been to Irishfest two years now over in Wisconsin. They also have German fest over there. There's Greekfest in some cities. There's the black family reunion in DC every year. I think Latinos have something here as well.

It's not meant to be an advertisement as much as a call for the community to come together.

No one should have to live their life in the closet. Straight, gay, black, white or otherwise.

I can respect the people who think its wrong, amoral or what have you because no ones personal values are the same as anyone elses and they shouldn't be. But to embrace hate and discrimination...?

It makes me sad.
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Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins
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Jerry Smith

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HOLY CRAP.....Jerry Smith, Gay???
What next....Billy Kilmer?


Well......Jerry did have that long blond hair he used to..........
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HOLY CRAP.....Jerry Smith, Gay???
What next....Billy Kilmer?


Well......Jerry did have that long blond hair he used to..........
Pete Rose hair bangs.
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"Hate Speech"? Sorry, didn't realize the thought police were on the patrol.

You, and most of the US adult population, disagree with what he said - but, he is free to say it. You, in turn, are free to call him an ass. To him, or others, however, calling folks with a different viewpoint from yours "an effing insensitive discriminatory idiot" might also qualify as "Hate Speech".

Free speech is free speech and with it you are, in general, free to use hateful speech, unkind speech, vulgar speech, pretty speech, politically correct speech or any of plethora of adjectives you wish to put in front of "speech".

Sorry, the misuse, abuse and misunderstanding of the term "free speech" is a big pet peeve of mine. It is too important a concept to so cavalierly compartmentalized.
Question for the forum lawyer, and I'm not referring to the 49er player here. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is often referenced as a limitation on free speech, but what about language that incites violence against a person or group? Can that form of speech be muzzled so to speak?
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Question for the forum lawyer, and I'm not referring to the 49er player here. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is often referenced as a limitation on free speech, but what about language that incites violence against a person or group? Can that form of speech be muzzled so to speak?
Isn't yelling fire in a theater only limited because it endangers the people around them? O_o
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The seminal case on free speech and its limitations is Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942):

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There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.
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Fighting words are not simply words that are "offensive". Further, you can't target specific "fighting words" based on some types of content but not others. In R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 505 U.S. 377 (1992), St. Paul passed a statute that said:

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Whoever places on public or private property, a symbol, object, appellation, characterization or graffiti, including, but not limited to, a burning cross or Nazi swastika, which one knows or has reasonable grounds to know arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender commits disorderly conduct and shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
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Although the phrase in the ordinance, "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others," has been limited by the Minnesota Supreme Court's construction to reach only those symbols or displays that amount to "fighting words," the remaining, unmodified terms make clear that the ordinance applies only to "fighting words" that insult, or provoke violence, "on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender." Displays containing abusive invective, no matter how vicious or severe, are permissible unless they are addressed to one of the specified disfavored topics. Those who wish to use "fighting words" in connection with other ideas to express hostility, for example, on the basis of political affiliation, union membership, or homosexuality are not covered. The First Amendment does not permit St. Paul to impose special prohibitions on those speakers who express views on disfavored subjects.
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Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

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Dont speak for me. I am a straight man and I completely disagree with you.

And being straight IS advertised constantly. You are either blind or brainwashed into thinking its not. Gf ans bf from day one. All shows all teaching curriculum all everything advertises being straight you just dont see it.

This is literally the samw argument used by whites against blacks during the civil rights movement and even now.
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Jerry Smith

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Stephen Davis? No.
Why does it matter?
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:15 AM   #60
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Re: Gays in the NFL. How Do You Really Feel?

Ok, without reading 5 pages I will just answer the question,who cares,we don't play in the NFL and even if we did it's no ones business.
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