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CultBrennan59 · 02-17-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I would argue that players/fans have more means of communication than they did back Tagliabue's tenure as commissioner, so the complaints are more "visible". Still, if there were truly more complaints and the game was being "ruined" by Goodell (and the OWNERS), then this dissatisfaction would be seen in a drop in profits or TV ratings.

It is easier for the sports outlets to blame a single person, rather than a group of people. The way the news media focus on the President during tumultuous/prosperous times, rather than Congress for example.

The sports outlets are going to focus on the commissioner because he is an easy target. Also, the masses tend to have this infatuation with the owners and always seem to side with them knowingly or unknowingly. Example: when a player wants more money and wants a contract, the masses say "he is greedy, wants more money, he should shut up and play"; when a team (OWNER) cuts a player, the masses say: "that's a business minded decision".

Also, as I've said before, the decisions are made when a majority of the owners agree or disagree to something. I believe a lot of these decisions are made behind close doors, so it is easier to put the focus on the messenger.

I don't know much about business, but I imagine that NFL works in a similar way that a company has a board of trustees or stockholders; and has a CEO or COO to run things. And as I pointed out, a lot of these people get paid more than 30 mil a year.

Well, unlike Goodell, Matty IS a dictator. And if people don't hear from me ever again, now you know why.

Respectable answer. All I'll say in closing, is that whether you like him or not, these fines are ridiculous, and the ridiculous fines have been occuring when Goodell has been in power. Someone said its Ray Anderson, well whether it is all Ray or not at all Ray or partially ray, they need to less ridiculous and consistent!

Hopefully your joking about the Matty thing, because someone called Smootsmack an SS officer, which didn't go over well.

NC_Skins · 02-17-2013, 06:41 PM

Think about this for a second, if Roger Goodell made 30 million last year, what do you think the owners made?....lol I can assure you it was much greater than 30 million. The owners love RG because he's doing exactly what they want him to. Make the NFL a huge cash cow that will deliver them hand over fist in money. With over 9 billion in revenue a year, he's doing exactly that.

If you want to bitch about the taking the "safety" concern too far, it's being done so due to monetary reasons as well. If they don't start penalizing and fining players, they'll be held liable in future lawsuits showing they knew about the consequences of concussions but did nothing to stop them. It's not about "player safety", if they really cared about safety, they would have never tried bringing in a 18 game season.

Ruhskins · 02-17-2013, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Respectable answer. All I'll say in closing, is that whether you like him or not, these fines are ridiculous, and the ridiculous fines have been occuring when Goodell has been in power. Someone said its Ray Anderson, well whether it is all Ray or not at all Ray or partially ray, they need to less ridiculous and consistent!

Hopefully your joking about the Matty thing, because someone called Smootsmack an SS officer, which didn't go over well.

Ironically, the fines you are complaining about fund the very things that you said RG's salary should go towards.

NFL Charities - Fundraising - Fine Money

And of course I am joking, Matty is a benevolent leader who reminded me of this by sending a shock of electricity through my laptop after my last comment.

CultBrennan59 · 02-17-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ironically, the fines you are complaining about fund the very things that you said RG's salary should go towards.

NFL Charities - Fundraising - Fine Money

And of course I am joking, Matty is a benevolent leader who reminded me of this by sending a shock of electricity through my laptop after my last comment.

Interesting, I thought the fines went towards a charity of the player/coaches choice. (Which also made me want to ask, what if Ray Lewis got fined, could he have his fine money go towards his own charity?)

I'll also say that as much as I despise/hate Goodell, he isn't the worst commissioner. That honor goes to David Stern. And all I need is one example to show why:

Spurs Fined $250,000: David Stern Says Team Did 'Disservice To The League And Our Fans'

NC_Skins · 02-17-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll also say that as much as I despise/hate Goodell, he isn't the worst commissioner. That honor goes to David Stern. And all I need is one example to show why:

Spurs Fined $250,000: David Stern Says Team Did 'Disservice To The League And Our Fans'

Not sure why you pointed out this instance because he was actually right for doing this. It's very very rare when Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern, but even he agreed with it. Simply said that the TV deals are their cash cows and you cannot pull star players on games when their game is being televised nationally. He didn't have a problem with them resting, just not on a night when it was televised.

Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern's fine - SBNation.com

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The main reason why Cuban agreed is because television revenue is the NBA's biggest customer, so keeping them happy is in the best interest of the league.

"That is the driver for all things financial in sports. Period, end of story. We are not 10 years ago where TV is just another source of income. That is the money train. Period, end of story, no questions asked."

Even while backing the league, Cuban never denied the Mavericks wouldn't do the same thing as San Antonio did (and has done in the past). Even joking the NBA would fine him ten times more than the $250,000 it fined the Spurs.

donofriose · 02-17-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not sure why you pointed out this instance because he was actually right for doing this. It's very very rare when Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern, but even he agreed with it. Simply said that the TV deals are their cash cows and you cannot pull star players on games when their game is being televised nationally. He didn't have a problem with them resting, just not on a night when it was televised.

Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern's fine - SBNation.com

Mark Cuban hates the Spurs, they have knocked them out of the playoffs a couple of times so anytime anything negative comes out against the Spurs, I am sure Cuban loves it no matter what, also the Spurs did not do anything wrong, they just rested their players after a tedious road trip (which is within the rules).

If you have a problem with the Spurs, then you cannot have a problem with the Salary Cap penalties that the Redskins took. The spurs did nothing against the rules (just like some would say the Skins or the Cowboys did nothing wrong), the "NBA" just did not like it. Goodell fined those times because it was not fair to the other teams in the NFL, hence being in the best interest for the NFL. If you have a problem with one, you cannot have a problem with the other. Just like when Stern denied a trade with the hornets and lakers, the trade was accepted by both teams but the trade was declined because it was not in the best interest of the NBA.

Stern is the worst commissioner, but Goodell is catching up. I like commissioners that do not make that much noise. You do not need to put your fingerprints on something that is already increasing in value every single year. With or without Goodell, the NFL would flourish. This is why I do not care much for Goodell. However, their main job is to make sure the games continue playing, and both of these men have failed at some point with that (both had lockouts). But Stern is the worst of the two, from fixed drafts to some extremely questionable refereeing in the NBA that seem to always benefit the bigger markets. But this is an NBA topic, not an NFL one.

Skinzman · 02-17-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

No, No, NO. Nowhere do I say that. I don't understand even where you get that implication. If you read through my post, you would have seen that I said that even though there are already retirement funds and the whole play 60 thing to help kids now learn how to play and hit properly, I'm saying more money can go into those programs, as an example. There are probably more places that salary of his could go.

Here is the problem. You are saying it as if Goodells salary is stopping the funding of those things (or stopping additional funding). The funds are in the NFL now to do those things. You dont need to cut Goodells salary for any of those.

As I explained in the last post, there are trillions of places that extra money COULD go. That doesnt mean that if its stripped from Goodell, thats where it WILL go. Stripping Goodell of money means none of that. You are tying the two together for some reason. Well, if you are tying Goodells salary to those causes, then the underfunding is a direct result of Goodells salary. I have no other way of reading that. If you honestly dont believe Goodells salary and those causes go hand in hand, then stop tying them together.

53Fan · 02-18-2013, 01:11 AM

I'm having a hard time understanding how everything RG does wrong or lets say is not popular is the owners fault because they run the league yet RG gets credit for increased revenue between 2006 when Taglibue was commish and 2012....6 years later with RG as commish. Wasn't that expected no matter who the commish was? Did anyone in 2006 expect the most popular sport in America with an extremely strong following expect the league to make less money 6 years later? Given the product you'd have to be pretty inept for that to happen. As NC Skins just stated...people keep coming back basically no matter what. I mean shit...given that clientele any company could increase profits.

CultBrennan59 · 02-18-2013, 01:29 AM

Offseason Forecast: Washington Redskins - NFL.com

REDSKINS4ever · 02-18-2013, 06:01 AM

News has surfaced that Jarmarcus Russell is attempting a comeback....

SkinzWin · 02-18-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

News has surfaced that Jarmarcus Russell is attempting a comeback....

He saw the Leon Sandcastle commercial while watching the Super Bowl and will attempt to sneak back into college under a new assumed alias.

Deion Sanders "Leon Sandcastle" Superbowl...

Lotus · 02-18-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

He saw the Leon Sandcastle commercial while watching the Super Bowl and will attempt to sneak back into college under a new assumed alias.

Deion Sanders "Leon Sandcastle" Superbowl Commercial - YouTube

Reports are that he is going under the alias Purple Drank.

skinsfan69 · 02-18-2013, 10:41 AM

For me, I just don't like where the game is going. It completely favors one side of the ball and that's unfair. The NFL is becoming the arena league. 4,000 yards passing isn't even a big deal anymore and now we have guys near 5,000 every year. The QB's are over protected to the point that it's absurd, wr's can take two steps before they can be hit, pass interference is a joke, a lot of the helmet to helmet calls look like routine hits. Sean Taylor would be the most fined player in the league if he was still playing. Yeah I'll still watch cause I love football, but all these things I mention just water it down for me.

Alvin Walton · 02-18-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

For me, I just don't like where the game is going. It completely favors one side of the ball and that's unfair. The NFL is becoming the arena league. 4,000 yards passing isn't even a big deal anymore and now we have guys near 5,000 every year. The QB's are over protected to the point that it's absurd, wr's can take two steps before they can be hit, pass interference is a joke, a lot of the helmet to helmet calls look like routine hits. Sean Taylor would be the most fined player in the league if he was still playing. Yeah I'll still watch cause I love football, but all these things I mention just water it down for me.

budw38 · 02-18-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

For me, I just don't like where the game is going. It completely favors one side of the ball and that's unfair. The NFL is becoming the arena league. 4,000 yards passing isn't even a big deal anymore and now we have guys near 5,000 every year. The QB's are over protected to the point that it's absurd, wr's can take two steps before they can be hit, pass interference is a joke, a lot of the helmet to helmet calls look like routine hits. Sean Taylor would be the most fined player in the league if he was still playing. Yeah I'll still watch cause I love football, but all these things I mention just water it down for me.

Have to agree with you . The rookie QB's of today put up numbers the HOF QBs could'nt even come close to in the early-mid 70's .

02-17-2013, 06:41 PM	#242
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,274	Re: Around the NFL Off - Season style. Think about this for a second, if Roger Goodell made 30 million last year, what do you think the owners made?....lol I can assure you it was much greater than 30 million. The owners love RG because he's doing exactly what they want him to. Make the NFL a huge cash cow that will deliver them hand over fist in money. With over 9 billion in revenue a year, he's doing exactly that. If you want to bitch about the taking the "safety" concern too far, it's being done so due to monetary reasons as well. If they don't start penalizing and fining players, they'll be held liable in future lawsuits showing they knew about the consequences of concussions but did nothing to stop them. It's not about "player safety", if they really cared about safety, they would have never tried bringing in a 18 game season. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

02-18-2013, 01:11 AM	#248
53Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,354	Re: Around the NFL Off - Season style. I'm having a hard time understanding how everything RG does wrong or lets say is not popular is the owners fault because they run the league yet RG gets credit for increased revenue between 2006 when Taglibue was commish and 2012....6 years later with RG as commish. Wasn't that expected no matter who the commish was? Did anyone in 2006 expect the most popular sport in America with an extremely strong following expect the league to make less money 6 years later? Given the product you'd have to be pretty inept for that to happen. As NC Skins just stated...people keep coming back basically no matter what. I mean shit...given that clientele any company could increase profits. __________________ "Cautiously And Optimistically... Looking Forward To Change" Last edited by 53Fan; 02-18-2013 at 01:19 AM.

02-18-2013, 01:29 AM	#249
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,585	Re: Around the NFL Off - Season style. Offseason Forecast: Washington Redskins - NFL.com __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

02-18-2013, 06:01 AM	#250
REDSKINS4ever The Starter Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Born and raised in D.C. and now lives in Harlem, New York Posts: 2,030	Re: Around the NFL Off - Season style. News has surfaced that Jarmarcus Russell is attempting a comeback.... __________________ *Touchdown Washington Redskins!!!*

02-18-2013, 10:41 AM	#253
skinsfan69 Franchise Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 8,104	Re: Around the NFL Off - Season style. For me, I just don't like where the game is going. It completely favors one side of the ball and that's unfair. The NFL is becoming the arena league. 4,000 yards passing isn't even a big deal anymore and now we have guys near 5,000 every year. The QB's are over protected to the point that it's absurd, wr's can take two steps before they can be hit, pass interference is a joke, a lot of the helmet to helmet calls look like routine hits. Sean Taylor would be the most fined player in the league if he was still playing. Yeah I'll still watch cause I love football, but all these things I mention just water it down for me.

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