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Old 02-23-2013, 11:15 PM   #346
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:10 AM   #347
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What I mean is letting wr catch the ball first, before he can be hit is compromising the integrity of football. Accidentally head slapping a qb when his helmet is on, then throwing a flag for roughness is compromising the integrity of football. Guys head slap when they celebrate a good play. These are examples of my argument. I guess you guys like all the silly flags we see week after week.
Anyhow I've made my point. Obviously I will still watch football. But I don't like where the games is headed.

So you think the headslap Orakpo would put on an OL(by accident,of course) is the same as a headslap for a job well done?
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So you think the headslap Orakpo would put on an OL(by accident,of course) is the same as a headslap for a job well done?
I'll give you an example since you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying. The refs throw flags if a linemen goes to block a pass and his hand hits any part of the qb's head. There is no way in hell that gives a qb a concussion. That should never be a personal foul unless there's intent. Yet most of the time they throw the flag every single time. What's your opinion on that?
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I'll give you an example since you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying. The refs throw flags if a linemen goes to block a pass and his hand hits any part of the qb's head. There is no way in hell that gives a qb a concussion. That should never be a personal foul unless there's intent. Yet most of the time they throw the flag every single time. What's your opinion on that?
Refs are going to always err in the side of caution and fans just need to get over this whole thing because that is today's reality. Should refs use more judgement in the example that you just said? They probably should. But saying that calls like this are "sacrificing the integrity of the game" and blame "safety" for it is ridiculous.

The refs are always going to make mistakes, and it has very little to do with the safety rules and more with the speed at which today's players play the game. If it becomes such a big issue, I am sure that some owners will bring it up and something will be done about it.

It's funny how people complain that certain players, but I think a lot of players and fans just want to see the erratic "highlight" tackles. Ironically, I think those type of tackles are bad football form, since players nowadays try to go for those erratic tackles instead of wrapping up a guy and bringing him down. Morons like James Harrison just one to go head first and make a tackle that will make the Sportscenter highlight.
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Refs are going to always err in the side of caution and fans just need to get over this whole thing because that is today's reality. Should refs use more judgement in the example that you just said? They probably should. But saying that calls like this are "sacrificing the integrity of the game" and blame "safety" for it is ridiculous.

The refs are always going to make mistakes, and it has very little to do with the safety rules and more with the speed at which today's players play the game. If it becomes such a big issue, I am sure that some owners will bring it up and something will be done about it.

It's funny how people complain that certain players, but I think a lot of players and fans just want to see the erratic "highlight" tackles. Ironically, I think those type of tackles are bad football form, since players nowadays try to go for those erratic tackles instead of wrapping up a guy and bringing him down. Morons like James Harrison just one to go head first and make a tackle that will make the Sportscenter highlight.
As an aside, I dislike these new "Brady rules", but rules that limit ambiguity by limiting judgement calls are good IMO. If you're going to call a penalty for slapping a QB's helmet in a roughing situation, call it every time.
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I'll give you an example since you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying. The refs throw flags if a linemen goes to block a pass and his hand hits any part of the qb's head. There is no way in hell that gives a qb a concussion. That should never be a personal foul unless there's intent. Yet most of the time they throw the flag every single time. What's your opinion on that?
My opinion,is you are wrong ,refs are making judgment calls all the time some are right some are not.You seem to assume that all hits are equal and they aren't ,that was my point.

Yup you're right it's all me,,so did you ever play the actual game itself and at what level,not accusing just curious?
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Jerry Jones is truly the reason why the Dallas Cowboys aren't going anywhere no time soon. He needs to hire a savvy GM like Bill Polian and let him run the Cowboys. But Jones won't do that because of his arrogance and his ego. The fact that he's considering signing Tony Romo to a deal after Romo has shown that he can't win in the clutch only confirms that Jones doesn't know what he's doing. Even if Romo is signed, does Jones have the common sense to look at the draft this year for Romo's eventual replacement? Seems doubtful. As far as Jason Garrett being on the hot seat, it seems like he should have been hired at the end of the 2012 season.
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Jerry Jones is truly the reason why the Dallas Cowboys aren't going anywhere no time soon. He needs to hire a savvy GM will Bill Polian and let him run the Cowboys. But Jones won't do that because of his arrogance and his ego. The fact that he's considering signing Tony Romo to a deal after Romo has shown that he can't win in the clutch only confirms that Jones doesn't know what he's doing. Even if Romo is signed, does Jones have the common sense to look at the draft this year for Romo's eventual replacement? Seems doubtful.
I hope Jerry Jones doesn't follow your advise.
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Don't know if this question deserves it's own thread:

Assume that for some reason RG3 was unavailable to us last draft. Would signing Peyton Manning have been a good move for us? For this past season? How about the near future?
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Don't know if this question deserves it's own thread:

Assume that for some reason RG3 was unavailable to us last draft. Would signing Peyton Manning have been a good move for us? For this past season? How about the near future?
Redskins would have made the playoffs for the next 3 years, pretty much guaranteed, but they never would have won a superbowl with Manning at QB.
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Don't know if this question deserves it's own thread:

Assume that for some reason RG3 was unavailable to us last draft. Would signing Peyton Manning have been a good move for us? For this past season? How about the near future?
Good question. I think this would have depended on how the defense would have played in the first part of the season. I think Manning could have worked his magic with our offense, I just don't know if the defense would have been able to play decent enough to get the offense through the adjustment period of the first half of the season. I don't think our defense is nowhere near where the Denver defense was this past season.

In the comeback game against San Diego, the Denver D played a big role in keeping the game within reach and put up some points themselves in the second half. I don't think our defense is able to do the same.

The only thing that makes consider that Manning would have been able to win here is that as good as our offense was this past season, it wasn't very efficient. We were getting tons of offensive yards, but had a terrible 3rd down conversion for the most part in the season and at times didn't do well in scoring in the redzone (see first game against the Giants). I wonder if Manning would have been able to overcome those inefficiencies. Talent-wise in offense, I think Manning could have been successful with the players we acquired.
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My opinion,is you are wrong ,refs are making judgment calls all the time some are right some are not.You seem to assume that all hits are equal and they aren't ,that was my point.

Yup you're right it's all me,,so did you ever play the actual game itself and at what level,not accusing just curious?
I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.
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@donofriose and ruhskins: Would having Peyton help us become a team that could win a SB, even if like D says Peyton's own history isn't good? With Alfmo and Garcon and others we got, and Shanny and Bruce picking players in future years to build the team with?

Agreed Denver's D is way better than ours. QB play was so lacking for us until last season... I thought Peyton would never play at a high level again, but I agree he'd have a lot of success with our guys.
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I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.
These two statements don't make sense. So you want people to be serious and aware of concussions (and its consequences); but you don't want any measures to prevent them on the game?
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