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Old 03-08-2013, 11:39 AM   #526
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That doesnt answer the question as to how Eli doesnt get credit. Plus Eli's defense played lights out in their two SB runs. The only team to shut down Tom Brady one of those years. Eli could always be conservative and didnt need to score on 3 out of every 4 drives just to win a game.
Everyone seems to point at his so so play in the regular season and forget what he has done in the playoffs. Also in those two SB wins he has had to make the play to win. I agree his brother has had to carry the team to the playoffs but once they get ther he has problems. I gave you his poor stats when he won the SB and when they lost the SB he only had 1 TD and 1 int.
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Looks like the Cardinals are about to release S Adrian Wilson. He's one player I've always liked, I would pursue him even if he's 33 hopefully to a cap friendly deal.
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4 years ago, Adrian Wilson was a phenomenal safety ....
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Everyone seems to point at his so so play in the regular season and forget what he has done in the playoffs. Also in those two SB wins he has had to make the play to win. I agree his brother has had to carry the team to the playoffs but once they get ther he has problems. I gave you his poor stats when he won the SB and when they lost the SB he only had 1 TD and 1 int.
I point out his regular season play because of things like last year. His regular season play meant he wasnt playing in the playoffs. I also dispute that he had to make the play in both SB's. I will give him the Manningham one. While it was a beautiful catch, it was also an amazing throw. But the Tyree pass was not some special pass. He did a nice job of escaping the pressure in the first place, but the throw was just him chucking it down field. Tyree made the play. The fact is Eli has never had to make every play like Peyton has had to do if he wants to win. He finally gets a good defense and what did that defense do once in the playoffs, choked hard core.

As far as Peyton is concerned, I would choose several other QB's if I only had to choose for one game, the SB. That doesnt change that Peyton had to carry average at best teams when in Indy. Eli never had to carry an above average team with the best pass rush in the game, he just had to play his role and the team performed like a real team.
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I point out his regular season play because of things like last year. His regular season play meant he wasnt playing in the playoffs. I also dispute that he had to make the play in both SB's. I will give him the Manningham one. While it was a beautiful catch, it was also an amazing throw. But the Tyree pass was not some special pass. He did a nice job of escaping the pressure in the first place, but the throw was just him chucking it down field. Tyree made the play. The fact is Eli has never had to make every play like Peyton has had to do if he wants to win. He finally gets a good defense and what did that defense do once in the playoffs, choked hard core.

As far as Peyton is concerned, I would choose several other QB's if I only had to choose for one game, the SB. That doesnt change that Peyton had to carry average at best teams when in Indy. Eli never had to carry an above average team with the best pass rush in the game, he just had to play his role and the team performed like a real team.

Come on he just chucked it down field? Your making my point. One of the best plays in SB history and the only credit you give him is chucking the ball down field. His brother would have gone down to avoid taking a hit like he normally does.
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Yes he is and always will be the fastest!!

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I will always remember when everyone took notice of DG when he ran down Dorset I think his rookie year.

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I will always remember when everyone took notice of DG when he ran down Dorset I think his rookie year.

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Come on he just chucked it down field? Your making my point. One of the best plays in SB history and the only credit you give him is chucking the ball down field. His brother would have gone down to avoid taking a hit like he normally does.
Did he hit Tyree in stride? Did he throw it over one defender but underneath another? Did he drop it over Tyree's shoulder when he was in tight coverage?

Tyree and the safety were standing there waiting for the ball to come down. Tyree made the play over the safety. Its considered a great play because of the helmet catch.

Edit: They also won that game 17-10. The undefeated Patriots, who set all kinds of offensive records that year, scored 10 points. They won because of their defense.
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Did he hit Tyree in stride? Did he throw it over one defender but underneath another? Did he drop it over Tyree's shoulder when he was in tight coverage?

Tyree and the safety were standing there waiting for the ball to come down. Tyree made the play over the safety. Its considered a great play because of the helmet catch.

Edit: They also won that game 17-10. The undefeated Patriots, who set all kinds of offensive records that year, scored 10 points. They won because of their defense.
17-14, not 17-10
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. Its considered a great play because of the helmet catch.

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Well, add in also Eli had to escape ,was almost pulled down and did it on the run.Did the Giants D play well yes but so did Eli.
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Well, add in also Eli had to escape ,was almost pulled down and did it on the run.Did the Giants D play well yes but so did Eli.
If you read my entire response, you will see that I mentioned the escape. I still dont understand why people are so quick to jump on that specific play. Eli's play was escaping, not the throw. The throw was more of a hail mary than anything. If you want to highlight a throw of Eli's, why people dont talk about the second SB with the Manningham catch. That was as close to a perfect pass as you can get in that situation. It also required one helluva catch. That play can easily go down as one of the best in a SB due to the fact that it took a great throw as well as a great catch just to be a successful play.

Also just to add, I never once said Eli sucks. I dont consider him elite due to his inconsistency, but to say someone is not elite does not mean that to say that they arent any good. I consider Eli to be in that tier just below the group that includes Brady and Rodgers. He has played games where he played like Brady, but he also has his fair share of games where he played like Rex Grossman.

Edit: Actually it was a post or two earlier where I mention that escape, not the specific post you quoted.

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I'm an Eli fan. The guy does not get the credit but he is one of the better QB's in the NFL. I'd take him in crunch time over his brother that is great but has a hard time when the big games come around.
Eli over Peyton, in any situation?????

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