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Old 02-07-2013, 12:54 PM   #16
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Re: Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

who voted they should change their name? and why?
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:50 PM   #17
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I vote for automatic bans for any Redskins "fan" who says yes.


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Old 02-07-2013, 02:44 PM   #18
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So if we change our name, then the Indians and the Braves are gonna be next? Right? Right?!

If not then everyone really needs to let this go. They find the Redskins offensive but they don't find this offensive?!



The hat is actually called the "Screaming Savage"

Can't make this stuff up.
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I highly suggest some people read the link posted at the bottom of my post. It is really an excellent read about an issue that plagues our team. Here is a quick excerpt:

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Goddard shows that the term redskin is a translation from native American languages of a term used by native Americans for themselves. Harjo's claim that it "had its origins in the practice of presenting bloody red skins and scalps as proof of Indian kill for bounty payments" is unsupported by any evidence.⁴ The term entered popular usage via the novels of James Fenimore Cooper. In the early- to mid-nineteenth century the term was neutral, not pejorative, and indeed was often used in contexts in which whites spoke of Indians in positive terms. Goddard concludes:


Cooper's use of redskin as a Native American in-group term was entirely authentic, reflecting both the accurate perception of the Indian self-image and the evolving respect among whites for the Indians' distinct cultural perspective, whatever its prospects. The descent of this word into obloquy is a phenomenon of more recent times.
Language Log: The Origin of Redskin
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:03 PM   #20
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So if we change our name, then the Indians and the Braves are gonna be next? Right? Right?!

If not then everyone really needs to let this go. They find the Redskins offensive but they don't find this offensive?!



The hat is actually called the "Screaming Savage"

Can't make this stuff up.
Funny you mention the word savage. I graduated college from SOSU and we were the Savages. Now they are the Savage Storm.Really come on now.
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By the way, I agree with everyone here.
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The Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian @SmithsonianNMAI is hosting a symposium today, Feb 7 10:15-5:45, to change the Redskins mascot. Link to watch on @Ustream Smithsonian American Indian Museum on USTREAM: The National Museum of the American Indian is the first national museum dedicated to the preservation, stud...

Pretty sure this is going to be a one sided discussion. Mike Wise will be among the speakers. If anyone plans on attending give him a big hug for me.
People need to stop being so politically correct, stop letting petty issues upset them, and find something more important to occupy their time like fighting to keep the government from taking away our rights or advocating for Obama to release his records so this whole issue of whether he is or is not elligible to hold office can get resolved.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:15 PM   #23
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Its called beating a dead horse, and is a pretty common concept.
How about that CAP penalty? lol
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:15 PM   #24
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How about ..... the Washington Drones . The team motto " we seak and destroy " eagles , cowboys and dirty little giants ! Im so good
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:39 PM   #25
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Call me crazy, but I think the word Savage sounds more offensive/worse than the word Redskins.
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If they changed the name to whiteskins i wouldn't have a problem with name. How about the Washington Caucasianskins? I hope they never change the name.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:52 PM   #27
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Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.
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I vote we change the name to "Youoverbearingpoliticalcorrecttreehuggingpinheads cankissmyroyalassandgosuckeggsinacloset"
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What it all boils down to is INTENT. Is the name being used to intentionally to degrade a specific person or group of people? And that answer is NO. I doubt the NFL would have let any owner past or present use a name that was intended to degrade anyone or any group.

If anything its intent was to promote or give a positive light to a group of people. They should, instead of complaining, be proud and glad the American Indian is in such a spot light for the world to see.

But for those who seek change and would like DS to change the name so he would get even more money because EVERYONE would want the new Jersey with the new logo and name...... I suggest a slight name change so there is no major difference. I recommend the name "REDNECKS".

The colors can stay the same and most rednecks I know would be proud of the name on a professional team. Pick whatever logo works for that name. Lol.
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Go back to the R logo, which I like better anyway, and claim the Redskin name refers to potatoes. We don't need to have a potato logo. Packers is for meat packers, but you don't see a butcher as their mascot.
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