Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

By the start of the 2018 season the name will be changed. By that I mean the 1st day of training camp.

Ok mark it down, I'll put it on my calendar

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Ok mark it down, I'll put it on my calendar

Odds that either of you won't remember this bet in 5 years, I'd put them at 50/50.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

Odds that either of you won't remember this bet in 5 years, I'd put them at 50/50.

I've already got it in my calendar on my computer.

[hooskins]

How about 100 dollars and public mockery on the warpath. Whatever the "warpath" is called then

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I've already got it in my calendar on my computer.

Are you sure that you'll have the same computer in 5 years? Lol. Either way I agree with you, I don't see the name changing in 5 years either.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I've already got it in my calendar on my computer.

Your computer will probably be busy managing the court systems by then.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I tend to agree with this. I mean, would a change to something like Warriors really be that big of a deal? Hell, you wouldn't have to change much of Hail to the Redskins to get to Hail to the Warrirors. That might be the only changed required.

Hogs Haven

I can see why some people are calling for a name change.

Same. Think a name change isn't a big deal. The team is and will be the same to me either way. And I also understand why people think it's offensive.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Same. Think a name change isn't a big deal. The team is and will be the same to me either way. And I also understand why people think it's offensive.

Yeah, but what do you understand about the name that makes it offensive?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

Are you sure that you'll have the same computer in 5 years? Lol. Either way I agree with you, I don't see the name changing in 5 years either.

I use iCal for everything, chances are I'll have something Apple related in 5 years

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

There's no proof of offense. A slang term for something doesn't equal offensive. Paleface doesn't offend me at all, but it's slang for a white person. Even the high school on the Navajo Reservation in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona used "Redskins" as their mascot.

[Giantone]

See I thought this solved all this stuff years ago!

Washington Redskins can keep team name; Supreme Court refuses native Americans' suit - CSMonitor.com

[Giantone]

Some more info, this is old ...2006 but a good read.


Language Log: The Origin of Redskin

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Apple Martini sounds good right about now.

........Man card, please

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Your post doesn't make much sense. The definition in your link "redskin: an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]" is already refuted by the links people gave earlier, and the link you gave later:

Originally Posted by Giantone

Some more info, this is old ...2006 but a good read.
Language Log: The Origin of Redskin

Especially Goddard's link inside the link above. HERE

So... thanks for proving the only ones using the name "Redskins" offensively today are the protesters???

(and giants/cowboys/eagles fans during the season??? )