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Old 02-08-2013, 09:42 PM   #61
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Re: Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

Oh, boo-hoo. Anyone who finds the Redskin's name offensive can go sit in a corner and suck their thumb. Anyway, what about the Saints. Do atheists find that name offensive?
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Oh, boo-hoo. Anyone who finds the Redskin's name offensive can go sit in a corner and suck their thumb. Anyway, what about the Saints. Do atheists find that name offensive?
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Your post doesn't make much sense. The definition in your link "redskin: an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]" is already refuted by the links people gave earlier, and the link you gave later:

Especially Goddard's link inside the link above. HERE

So... thanks for proving the only ones using the name "Redskins" offensively today are the protesters???

(and giants/cowboys/eagles fans during the season??? )

I see we pick and choose. I said in another post I thought this was over years ago,it seems kind of silly to keep rehashing this thing.


here it is....

Washington Redskins can keep team name; Supreme Court refuses native Americans' suit - CSMonitor.com
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Old 02-09-2013, 09:47 AM   #67
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Some of this post will be obvious to you diehards, but not everyone knows the history of the skins:

George Preston Marshall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In 1932, he and three other partners were awarded an NFL franchise for Boston. This team became known as the Boston Braves, as they played on the same field as baseball's Boston Braves. Marshall's partners left the team after one season, leaving him in control. In 1933 he moved the team from Braves Field to Fenway Park, changing the team nickname to the Redskins.
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Marshall has gained infamy for his intractable opposition to having African-Americans on his roster. According to professor Charles Ross, "For 24 years Marshall was identified as the leading racist in the NFL".
I have many friends that have played for the team and love the history associated with the name. I also see that if you flipped it to another skin color, it may be more clear for others. Tough call when you see both sides of the argument as having merit.

Remember in the 1930's there were many other names for different minority groups. While the groups did not have the political clout to do anything about them at that time, in our era they are considered HIGHLY offensive.

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The Skins history is very sordid, but that is part of what makes it so interesting. I'm not proud of the history, but we can't change it, and we should never ever forget it. His racism had a huge part in our rivalry with the Cowboys.

I said earlier in the thread that, its not fair to call people racist for supporting the name. I was probably 20 before I had any idea that it was a racial slur, maybe even older. Different people have totally different perceptions of the word.

All that said, I'm on the side of change the name.
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What would we call them the Washington Indians.

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It sucks, I still dont believe the term Redskin is a slur. In my mind it is a term used to describe a warrior. A real tuff dude with an bow and arrow.
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If you look in a thesaurus, "Yellow Man" is a derogatory term for an Asian. Same with Redskin for a Native American. Back when the Redskins were name (1933), Redskin was a common term, as was Yellow Man, the N word (see what I mean) and many other terms that are now offensive.

I personally don't see a problem with a name like the Chiefs, Braves, Warriors etc as they are not negative terms. They are no different than the Raiders, Vikings, Bucs etc.

Look at it this way, would you walk up to a Native American and refer to him as a "Redskin" to his face? That to me is a good way to judge if the term is offensive.
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This is the problem with the world today. People take offense to almost anything someone says today.
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I'd be fine changing the name if we got our 36MM in cap space back and John Mara was tarred and feathered and the giants lost all their draft picks for e next 3 years. oh, and all the other teams with potentially offensive names changed their names too. saints could be offensive to Catholics and atheists alike. Packer could be a derogatory name for a gay man, so that name should change too. Use of the names Titans would be offensive to ancient Greeks. I think one day, buccaneer or dolphin could be turned into a derogatory word for some minority so it's probably best to be proactive and just change the name now. Just to be safe, all teams should just be assigned a number, numbers will probably never be offensive to anyone.
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I'd be fine changing the name if we got our 36MM in cap space back and John Mara was tarred and feathered and the giants lost all their draft picks for e next 3 years. oh, and all the other teams with potentially offensive names changed their names too. saints could be offensive to Catholics and atheists alike. Packer could be a derogatory name for a gay man, so that name should change too. Use of the names Titans would be offensive to ancient Greeks. I think one day, buccaneer or dolphin could be turned into a derogatory word for some minority so it's probably best to be proactive and just change the name now. Just to be safe, all teams should just be assigned a number, numbers will probably never be offensive to anyone.
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If you look in a thesaurus, "Yellow Man" is a derogatory term for an Asian. Same with Redskin for a Native American. Back when the Redskins were name (1933), Redskin was a common term, as was Yellow Man, the N word (see what I mean) and many other terms that are now offensive.

I personally don't see a problem with a name like the Chiefs, Braves, Warriors etc as they are not negative terms. They are no different than the Raiders, Vikings, Bucs etc.

Look at it this way, would you walk up to a Native American and refer to him as a "Redskin" to his face? That to me is a good way to judge if the term is offensive.
I wouldn't walk up to a fat man and call him Giant to his face or a gay man and call him a Packer. Does that mean those team names are offensive too?

Just because a word could bee twisted by a bad person to deride someone else, doesn't mean the word itself is inherently offensive. The word itself is not offensive, was not created to be offensive, and was not viewed as offensive when the name was chosen for the team. If it was, no one would have wanted to play for the team because the players would be associating themselves with something they looked down upon.
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http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf
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