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Old 02-09-2013, 10:57 AM   #76
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The Skins history is very sordid, but that is part of what makes it so interesting. I'm not proud of the history, but we can't change it, and we should never ever forget it. His racism had a huge part in our rivalry with the Cowboys.

I said earlier in the thread that, its not fair to call people racist for supporting the name. I was probably 20 before I had any idea that it was a racial slur, maybe even older. Different people have totally different perceptions of the word.

All that said, I'm on the side of change the name.
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What would we call them the Washington Indians.

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It sucks, I still dont believe the term Redskin is a slur. In my mind it is a term used to describe a warrior. A real tuff dude with an bow and arrow.
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If you look in a thesaurus, "Yellow Man" is a derogatory term for an Asian. Same with Redskin for a Native American. Back when the Redskins were name (1933), Redskin was a common term, as was Yellow Man, the N word (see what I mean) and many other terms that are now offensive.

I personally don't see a problem with a name like the Chiefs, Braves, Warriors etc as they are not negative terms. They are no different than the Raiders, Vikings, Bucs etc.

Look at it this way, would you walk up to a Native American and refer to him as a "Redskin" to his face? That to me is a good way to judge if the term is offensive.
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I'd be fine changing the name if we got our 36MM in cap space back and John Mara was tarred and feathered and the giants lost all their draft picks for e next 3 years. oh, and all the other teams with potentially offensive names changed their names too. saints could be offensive to Catholics and atheists alike. Packer could be a derogatory name for a gay man, so that name should change too. Use of the names Titans would be offensive to ancient Greeks. I think one day, buccaneer or dolphin could be turned into a derogatory word for some minority so it's probably best to be proactive and just change the name now. Just to be safe, all teams should just be assigned a number, numbers will probably never be offensive to anyone.
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I'd be fine changing the name if we got our 36MM in cap space back and John Mara was tarred and feathered and the giants lost all their draft picks for e next 3 years. oh, and all the other teams with potentially offensive names changed their names too. saints could be offensive to Catholics and atheists alike. Packer could be a derogatory name for a gay man, so that name should change too. Use of the names Titans would be offensive to ancient Greeks. I think one day, buccaneer or dolphin could be turned into a derogatory word for some minority so it's probably best to be proactive and just change the name now. Just to be safe, all teams should just be assigned a number, numbers will probably never be offensive to anyone.
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If you look in a thesaurus, "Yellow Man" is a derogatory term for an Asian. Same with Redskin for a Native American. Back when the Redskins were name (1933), Redskin was a common term, as was Yellow Man, the N word (see what I mean) and many other terms that are now offensive.

I personally don't see a problem with a name like the Chiefs, Braves, Warriors etc as they are not negative terms. They are no different than the Raiders, Vikings, Bucs etc.

Look at it this way, would you walk up to a Native American and refer to him as a "Redskin" to his face? That to me is a good way to judge if the term is offensive.
I wouldn't walk up to a fat man and call him Giant to his face or a gay man and call him a Packer. Does that mean those team names are offensive too?

Just because a word could bee twisted by a bad person to deride someone else, doesn't mean the word itself is inherently offensive. The word itself is not offensive, was not created to be offensive, and was not viewed as offensive when the name was chosen for the team. If it was, no one would have wanted to play for the team because the players would be associating themselves with something they looked down upon.
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I wouldn't walk up to a fat man and call him Giant to his face or a gay man and call him a Packer. Does that mean those team names are offensive too?

Just because a word could bee twisted by a bad person to deride someone else, doesn't mean the word itself is inherently offensive. The word itself is not offensive, was not created to be offensive, and was not viewed as offensive when the name was chosen for the team. If it was, no one would have wanted to play for the team because the players would be associating themselves with something they looked down upon.
The difference with your examples and others are the Packers were named after meat packers. The Giants were named after mythical, larger than life figures. Redskins were always intended to represent Native Americans.
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Now comes Florio saying RGIII needs to "do the right thing" and be the catalyst for the name change....

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Now comes Florio saying RGIII needs to "do the right thing" and be the catalyst for the name change....

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It's whiners like Florio who don't care if the name changes, he wants to be the guy the floated the idea. It's like the old SF mayor Gavin "douchebag" Newsom started the whole gay marriage movement for his own popularity to get elected governor not because he cared about gay people. Screw those a-holes with their own agenda.
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The difference with your examples and others are the Packers were named after meat packers. The Giants were named after mythical, larger than life figures. Redskins were always intended to represent Native Americans.
But it was not a racist term at the time it was chosen to name the team, and that's the point. The majority of people who complain about the team name are upper middle class white people who feel taking e position that the name is racist makes them more enlightened than everyone else. One fifth of the world is starving. Millions of people In this country are unemployed, but these people pick the name of a sports team as a cause to rally behind? Find a worthwhile cause and leave the redskins the F alone.
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It's whiners like Florio who don't care if the name changes, he wants to be the guy the floated the idea. It's like the old SF mayor Gavin "douchebag" Newsom started the whole gay marriage movement for his own popularity to get elected governor not because he cared about gay people. Screw those a-holes with their own agenda.
I agree. I knew by the title that the article would be stupid. Momentum is not building to change the name. That's a lie. It's not. A few media assholes are whining like they always are this time of year when there's no news to report and their editor needs them to write something for the paper. It's lazy journalism at its finest. And I love how florio goes out of his way to say its a fact that the name is racist, when a historical examination of the term by experts says the contrary.
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I wouldn't walk up to a fat man and call him Giant to his face or a gay man and call him a Packer. Does that mean those team names are offensive too?

Just because a word could bee twisted by a bad person to deride someone else, doesn't mean the word itself is inherently offensive. The word itself is not offensive, was not created to be offensive, and was not viewed as offensive when the name was chosen for the team. If it was, no one would have wanted to play for the team because the players would be associating themselves with something they looked down upon.
Good point. Many have tried to put the word Redskin on equal footing with the N word, but if another team called themselves that in 1933 would it have even been tolerated? Even 1933? Not saying Native Americans shouldn't be offended by the word Redskin, because who's to tell anyone what should or shouldn't offend them, but the word has become far more associated with the football team than as a slur. And don't polls show that most Native Americans aren't offended by the Redskins use of the term?

Although it originated as a derogatory word intended to inflict harm, isn't it possible that the word has evolved into something positive? Or that the use of the word altogether has ceased except in this one particular case?

Someone, some group or society as a whole decided to use the word as a slur. Isn't it possible for another generation's someone, some group or society as a whole to decide it no longer has any application whatsoever as a derogatory word?

I'd hate to see the name changed, but I'm all for eliminating the Indian head logo. I like the R helmet anyway.

I just feel like fans adore the name, because it's associated with the team they love. The negative connotation no longer exists.
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If you look in a thesaurus, "Yellow Man" is a derogatory term for an Asian. Same with Redskin for a Native American. Back when the Redskins were name (1933), Redskin was a common term, as was Yellow Man, the N word (see what I mean) and many other terms that are now offensive.

I personally don't see a problem with a name like the Chiefs, Braves, Warriors etc as they are not negative terms. They are no different than the Raiders, Vikings, Bucs etc.

Look at it this way, would you walk up to a Native American and refer to him as a "Redskin" to his face? That to me is a good way to judge if the term is offensive.
If I really wanted to insult a Native American, I would not call them Redskin, because it would seem corny now that the term has been associated with an NFL team for 80 years. It's been de-stigmatized, as far as I'm concerned.

You could use the word 'Cowboy' as an insult to someone who is reckless and selfish. Yankee too. Or Rebel.
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