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Old 02-10-2013, 09:29 AM   #106
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I lived in NC my whole life, and my mother's family is from Fayetteville, NC. I have never in my 40 years of living heard anybody use the term Redskins as a derogatory meaning. I seriously doubt the claim by LoS that he heard it used out West. Mind you, Fayetteville is part of the area the Lumbee Indians call home. (formerly Cherokees)

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Old 02-10-2013, 11:50 AM   #107
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At this point I am going to bow out of this conversation, especially since I legitimately see both points, but am sort of in a position to only debate from the one side. I will close with this.

I grew up out West (the town RG3 is from for a time and then the Phoenix area for a majority of my childhood). I am old enough to remember the Indian school in Phoenix where children were essentially forceably removed from their parents to assimilate the future generations into our culture. The children were also then "hired out" to local families as house keepers, babysitters etc.

As strongly as most of the diehard fans feel about the issue on this site feel, even stronger are the people objecting because of real life issues. Just try to look at things from the other side and while your position might not change, your feelings towards their efforts might.
I don't see how the name of a football team has anything to do with any of that. The key facts are this:

1. The name redskin was coined by native Americans to refer to themselves. It had no derogatory usage at the time.

2. When the name was chosen for the team, it was still not pejorative.

3. LATER, SOME people may have used the word in a pejorative way.

4. Today, the word is not used in a derogatory way. When the name redskin is used, people universally think of the team.
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Why don't they run a poll with different Native American tribes and ask what they would rename the Redskins to. It would be an interesting test.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #109
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Why don't they run a poll with different Native American tribes and ask what they would rename the Redskins to. It would be an interesting test.
I have a better idea. Why don't we just send blankets with small pox to mike florio, mike wise, and all the other people who claim the name is racist without understanding the facts.
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I see we pick and choose. I said in another post I thought this was over years ago,it seems kind of silly to keep rehashing this thing.


here it is....

Washington Redskins can keep team name; Supreme Court refuses native Americans' suit - CSMonitor.com
Your one-line "free dictionary" post earlier was stupid, unsupported, and refuted by numerous posts before and since. That's the point.

Not to mention the "free dictionary" cites one tribe in a non-derogatory fashion, never mind all the other tribes associated non-derogatorily with "REDSKINS". So the "free dictionary" link doesn't even support itself about the name being somehow offensive.

So again, thanks for proving the name isn't offensive. Whether you meant to or not, lol.
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Your one-line "free dictionary" post earlier was stupid, .
sorry you feel that way.
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sorry you feel that way.
Well, look at the bright side. For example, your post did provide a good example how not to trust a lot of "free" sources on the internet, however unintentionally.
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Well, look at the bright side. For example, your post did provide a good example how not to trust a lot of "free" sources on the internet, however unintentionally.
I'm just very thankfull you were here to let me know.
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I'm just very thankfull you were here to let me know.
lol. Concession accepted, and like you and others have said, time to move along.
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Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.
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Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.
I hope that it doesn't change but If they were forced to change the name I would want it be changed back to the "Braves" the original name.
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Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.
No matter what you feel about the issue of the name, I will strongly disagree with this statement. (now I am back out of this discussion):

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Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.
The very nature of a Skins website is to discuss topics relevant to the Skins. Since this is about the name of the team, I would think it is a relevant discussion. And having vested nearly 40 years of my life as a Redskins fan, I think that I have a right to express my opinion. And that brings us back to the question, at what point does a word go from a dispersion to an honorable name. I wasn't around when the name was changed, I grew up thinking of the term Redskins as a good thing, and as a side note - Cowboys as a bad thing. I am pretty sure many if not most in my generation grew up with the same view, or if it was a negative it was because you didn't like the team - not because of any racial overtones.

Bottomline for me, if the whole of the collective native american tribes were demonstrating, picketing, and letting it be known that this was an offense against their race, then I would not have a problem with changing it. But if it is a group of lawyers, and a small non-representative sampling, then they need to move on. In my view, it is the latter.
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I think when the name finally does change it wont be in reaction to a lawsuit or court case because the team and the NFL will not want it to look like they have been forced into the change, they will want it to appear that the change was made on their own terms. Much like women members at Augusta National, one morning we are going to wake up one morning and hear hear the announcement. It will get a lot of play for a day and then be no big deal. Augusta did it on their terms and so will the Skins & the NFL.

As for team names I'd really like Americans or or maybe Hogs.

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Why don't they run a poll with different Native American tribes and ask what they would rename the Redskins to. It would be an interesting test.
Actually this did happen, and the largest % of Native Americans who were polled showed that they did not think the name "Redskins" was derogatory. In fact, some of the NAs that were polled said that they were Redskins fans and that they were honored to have a team represent them.
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