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Old 02-19-2013, 07:50 PM   #46
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Hall needs to take a pretty big cut to make it worth it. I'm kinda on the fence with him.
Indeed, my "yea" vote on Hall assumes a restructure.

That said I'm less concerned about our CB corp now. I think C Griffin can still contribute at a high enough level and Crawford is going to develop nicely. And Wilson is a sure thing IMO.

That leaves FS as our biggest need on defense unless Fletch goes, and when Hall restructures I think we should stick him at FS beginning with the preseason. We're unlikely to draft a starting caliber FS and why go onto the market and blow cash for a starter when we've got a damn good prospect in house?
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Indeed, my "yea" vote on Hall assumes a restructure.

That said I'm less concerned about our CB corp now. I think C Griffin can still contribute at a high enough level and Crawford is going to develop nicely. And Wilson is a sure thing IMO.

That leaves FS as our biggest need on defense unless Fletch goes, and when Hall restructures I think we should stick him at FS beginning with the preseason. We're unlikely to draft a starting caliber FS and why go onto the market and blow cash for a starter when we've got a damn good prospect in house?
Why is that? Safety is pretty loaded in this draft. There should be a few nice prospects sitting there in the 2nd round.
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Why is that? Safety is pretty loaded in this draft. There should be a few nice prospects sitting there in the 2nd round.
Yup. It seems reasonable to expect that our starting FS next year will be a drafted rookie.

We picked a good year to need safety help.
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Depending on who you draft, you can find a starter in round 5 IMO. (TJ McDonald comes to mind)
Although this is a deep draft for secondary players, you can't tell me keeping Hall on the team is a bad thing if the contract is right.
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Hall played well down the stretch but was killed the first half of the season. Id cut Hall tomorrow and let him test the market. We cant afford to carry that cap number. If we do have him back, nothing more over 2.5 million for a 1 year deal.
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Hall played well down the stretch but was killed the first half of the season. Id cut Hall tomorrow and let him test the market. We cant afford to carry that cap number. If we do have him back, nothing more over 2.5 million for a 1 year deal.
Vet min, with a bonus if he slaps Dez Bryant again.

Definitely not worth the contract now. But hope we bring him back at a reasonable price, based on his contributions last season. Should be worth starter money, right?
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Wonder if hall would be a good option at safety?
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Wonder if hall would be a good option at safety?
IMO you want your safety to be a much better tackler than DHall.
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IMO you want your safety to be a much better tackler than DHall.
Good point. I'd love to get a player that made an impact like woodson did in green bay but obviously Charles woodson doesn't walk through many teams doors often.
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Well, as some of you may know, I don't like DHall. He is inconsistent to the max. One week he shuts down Dez Bryant, another week he gets burned and abused by Boldin.
Not that I'm a D Hall apologist, because he does have his issues, but Boldin abused pretty much everyone he faced this past year. I think he was much better the second half of the season as well and can continue that moving forward as our secondary improves. It will take pressure of him to have to make all the big plays.
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Wonder if hall would be a good option at safety?
They took a look last year and if he was any good he could have easily taken either spot with all the injuries and bad play from that position. I think that experiment is over.
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IMO you want your safety to be a much better tackler than DHall.
I've posted the stats here before from PFF...Hall is one of the top-tackling safeties in football, so is Reed Doughty.

If Hall is true to his word and will stay for less money, I'd definitely keep him. If we can get our starting SS in Round 2 of the draft, we could use Hall at either nickel CB or starting FS. Hopefully Chase Minnifield or another FA or drafted rookie can be our other starting CB alongside Wilson.

Regardless, we need at least 2 new starters in the secondary, both safety spots. If we can get two outstanding safeties, we can keep Hall and Wilson at CB and be fine. If we can snag another great starting CB, moving Hall to FS is an attractive option to me. Anyway, we just need two starting safeties from somewhere...draft, FA or from moving Hall back there, which will only be possible if we get another quality CB.
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I've posted the stats here before from PFF...Hall is one of the top-tackling safeties in football, so is Reed Doughty.

If Hall is true to his word and will stay for less money, I'd definitely keep him. If we can get our starting SS in Round 2 of the draft, we could use Hall at either nickel CB or starting FS. Hopefully Chase Minnifield or another FA or drafted rookie can be our other starting CB alongside Wilson.

Regardless, we need at least 2 new starters in the secondary, both safety spots. If we can get two outstanding safeties, we can keep Hall and Wilson at CB and be fine. If we can snag another great starting CB, moving Hall to FS is an attractive option to me. Anyway, we just need two starting safeties from somewhere...draft, FA or from moving Hall back there, which will only be possible if we get another quality CB.
Fair enough. I remember seeing stats that had Hall at the bottom in tackling. I've also seen Hall miss many makeable tackles. But I don't know where those stats I saw came from and I don't have time to look right now, so I will defer to your numbers and agree with you. As long as he can tackle, Hall should make a good safety.
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Why is that? Safety is pretty loaded in this draft. There should be a few nice prospects sitting there in the 2nd round.
It seems unlikely to score a starting caliber FS in the 2nd round, yeah. Admittedly I don't follow college ball enough to say this guy or that won't be available etc, but FS is one of the toughest positions in football IMO.
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