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Old 02-20-2013, 12:40 PM   #61
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vet min, with a bonus if he slaps dez bryant again.

definitely not worth the contract now. But hope we bring him back at a reasonable price, based on his contributions last season. Should be worth starter money, right?
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:44 PM   #62
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It seems unlikely to score a starting caliber FS in the 2nd round, yeah. Admittedly I don't follow college ball enough to say this guy or that won't be available etc, but FS is one of the toughest positions in football IMO.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:45 PM   #63
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I've posted the stats here before from PFF...Hall is one of the top-tackling safeties in football, so is Reed Doughty.

If Hall is true to his word and will stay for less money, I'd definitely keep him. If we can get our starting SS in Round 2 of the draft, we could use Hall at either nickel CB or starting FS. Hopefully Chase Minnifield or another FA or drafted rookie can be our other starting CB alongside Wilson.

Regardless, we need at least 2 new starters in the secondary, both safety spots. If we can get two outstanding safeties, we can keep Hall and Wilson at CB and be fine. If we can snag another great starting CB, moving Hall to FS is an attractive option to me. Anyway, we just need two starting safeties from somewhere...draft, FA or from moving Hall back there, which will only be possible if we get another quality CB.
Solid post. I wonder if FS can be solidified SS won't have to be addressed right away. Doughty played lights out toward the end of the season. Merriweather will come back for a minimal contract.
I'm just looking at overall team needs. RT has to be upgraded too, and we shouldn't skimp on that one. I'd like to think he's on our roster already but who knows. That guy needs to protect our passer well from day one.
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Not only could you get a starter at either safety position in the 2nd this year, but the 3rd round as well.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:49 PM   #65
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Lots of speculation there. It'd be great if he fell to us though.
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Is there a consensus here on Hall's future with us?
Here's the thing with Hall.... his contract cannot be "restructured". A restructure is when a guy is gonna be on the team either way, and we rearrange the money to push more to the future. Trent Williams is a good example of a potential restructure.

There is 0% chance Hall comes back under his current contract, and we can release him for free (pretty much). So in other words Hall should be viewed as a free agent.

So the proper question is - should we bring in free agent DHall?

In this light I'm not sure I'd want him back. Not hating on DHall, but once we're bringing in a free agent I'd rather target youth. I suspect if Hall was coming from another team, no one would want us to take him.
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Here's the thing with Hall.... his contract cannot be "restructured". A restructure is when a guy is gonna be on the team either way, and we rearrange the money to push more to the future. Trent Williams is a good example of a potential restructure.

There is 0% chance Hall comes back under his current contract, and we can release him for free (pretty much). So in other words Hall should be viewed as a free agent.

So the proper question is - should we bring in free agent DHall?

In this light I'm not sure I'd want him back. Not hating on DHall, but once we're bringing in a free agent I'd rather target youth. I suspect if Hall was coming from another team, no one would want us to take him.
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Here's the thing with Hall.... his contract cannot be "restructured". A restructure is when a guy is gonna be on the team either way, and we rearrange the money to push more to the future. Trent Williams is a good example of a potential restructure.

There is 0% chance Hall comes back under his current contract, and we can release him for free (pretty much). So in other words Hall should be viewed as a free agent.

So the proper question is - should we bring in free agent DHall?

In this light I'm not sure I'd want him back. Not hating on DHall, but once we're bringing in a free agent I'd rather target youth. I suspect if Hall was coming from another team, no one would want us to take him.
It is good info. But Hall's experience in the system and ball-hawk skills should still make him a top prospect in FA, at CB or FS. I mean, it seems like a plus we have to release him and deal as a FA situation.
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I can see us bringing him back if only because I doubt the market will have much interest in him. He seems to want to stay too.
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It is good info. But Hall's experience in the system and ball-hawk skills should still make him a top prospect in FA, at CB or FS. I mean, it seems like a plus we have to release him and deal as a FA situation.
Agreed. His athleticism and knowledge of the defense are the main things he has going for him.
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Here's the thing with Hall.... his contract cannot be "restructured". A restructure is when a guy is gonna be on the team either way, and we rearrange the money to push more to the future. Trent Williams is a good example of a potential restructure.

There is 0% chance Hall comes back under his current contract, and we can release him for free (pretty much). So in other words Hall should be viewed as a free agent.

So the proper question is - should we bring in free agent DHall?

In this light I'm not sure I'd want him back. Not hating on DHall, but once we're bringing in a free agent I'd rather target youth. I suspect if Hall was coming from another team, no one would want us to take him.


If he's willing to tear up his contract and take less than I wouldn't have a problem with it. By less, I mean in the 3mil/yr range. He's not worth anything more than that. He should play for free since he's been overpaid the past 5-6 years. Paying top money but getting low level production.
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I can see us bringing him back if only because I doubt the market will have much interest in him. He seems to want to stay too.
And I think thats the answer to the question is it time to get rid of D Hall.
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Old 02-20-2013, 05:59 PM   #73
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Ok, Boldin maybe wasn't a great example.

Use Mike Williams, Vikings WRs, Steelers WRs, Amendola, and so on as examples of him getting beat like a drum.
I'll give you Mike Williams and Vikings WR's - Percy Harvin, but Steelers WRs were good all year and so was Amedola until he got hurt. I think D Hall did have some bad games, but what player doesn't?
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Touché. DHall isn't the worst in the league, but is not near the best. We need that CB who can shut down or limit the catches to the big name WRs; we need to find that next Ladarius Webb, or Richard Sherman (late round pick but great CB). I feel like there is one in this draft since it's so deep in the secondary. It's a matter of finding that guy.
Is it Alford?
BW Webb?
Leon McFadden?
Mathieu?(probs not)
There's got to be one in this draft
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If he's willing to tear up his contract and take less than I wouldn't have a problem with it. By less, I mean in the 3mil/yr range. He's not worth anything more than that. He should play for free since he's been overpaid the past 5-6 years. Paying top money but getting low level production.
Didn't we just discuss how DHall doesn't have a contract? There's nothing to tear up! Just read a couple of previous posts to connect to the thread if you want to make a comment... Sheesh.

In fact, I just re-read your post. It contributes nothing to the discussion unless the novel concept of a player playing for free catches on.
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