Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game"

Schneed10 · 03-01-2013, 04:53 PM

He doesn't fit Haslett's scheme any better than he fit Philly's. He's a great press-man guy, but in a zone scheme he struggles.

REDSKINS4ever · 03-11-2013, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

5 years ago Shanahan had a point.

Now? I'm sure would have a different take.

There's so many indirect twists with Mike Shanahan says that nobody ever thinks he's telling the truth even when he's telling the truth.

The Goat · 03-12-2013, 01:09 AM

I'd be happier with DHall and his cheaper contract.

The Goat · 03-12-2013, 01:14 AM

Like to pose this question to the "brains" around here: do we ask a lot of our corners? Schematically wise I think we do. Aside from the Steelers few teams (successfully) use the corner blitz. Our late season success saw a lot of that kind of scheming btw. Sure, Orakpo will be back. Is he gonna change everything? I hope not if you get my drift.

Hall knows the scheme and plays it well when he's serious out there. Whatever he's lost in talent is off-set by experience and knowledge. I highly, highly doubt there's a CB in draft/FA who would overall outperform Hall next season as a Redskin.

donofriose · 03-12-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Like to pose this question to the "brains" around here: do we ask a lot of our corners? Schematically wise I think we do. Aside from the Steelers few teams (successfully) use the corner blitz. Our late season success saw a lot of that kind of scheming btw. Sure, Orakpo will be back. Is he gonna change everything? I hope not if you get my drift.

Hall knows the scheme and plays it well when he's serious out there. Whatever he's lost in talent is off-set by experience and knowledge. I highly, highly doubt there's a CB in draft/FA who would overall outperform Hall next season as a Redskin.

Seeing as how only one corner allowed more yards than Hall this entire year, and seeing as how his value was no where near what the Skins would have to pay him, I do not think it will be hard to find a replacement for basically one of the worst values for a corner in the NFL.

Mattyk · 03-12-2013, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Seeing as how only one corner allowed more yards than Hall this entire year, and seeing as how his value was no where near what the Skins would have to pay him, I do not think it will be hard to find a replacement for basically the one of the worst values for a corner in the NFL.

Totally agree.

Mechanix544 · 03-12-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Seeing as how only one corner allowed more yards than Hall this entire year, and seeing as how his value was no where near what the Skins would have to pay him, I do not think it will be hard to find a replacement for basically one of the worst values for a corner in the NFL.

I agree that we can probably find better value than hall in fa this year. 50/50 shot that we will get better overall corner play. But the above statistic isnt completely fair, after our best pass rusher gets taken out, and we had arguably the worst pass defending safeties in the history of the league for the first 9-10 games last year. DHall played his butt off last year, did alot in helping stop the run, and locked down the teams best receivers at times taking them totally out of the game. DHall will get his 5-6 mil per year somewhere else. But that stat holds water about as good as Bonnie and Clydes car.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-12-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I agree that we can probably find better value than hall in fa this year. 50/50 shot that we will get better overall corner play. But the above statistic isnt completely fair, after our best pass rusher gets taken out, and we had arguably the worst pass defending safeties in the history of the league for the first 9-10 games last year. DHall played his butt off last year, did alot in helping stop the run, and locked down the teams best receivers at times taking them totally out of the game. DHall will get his 5-6 mil per year somewhere else. But that stat holds water about as good as Bonnie and Clydes car.

LOL

donofriose · 03-12-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I agree that we can probably find better value than hall in fa this year. 50/50 shot that we will get better overall corner play. But the above statistic isnt completely fair, after our best pass rusher gets taken out, and we had arguably the worst pass defending safeties in the history of the league for the first 9-10 games last year. DHall played his butt off last year, did alot in helping stop the run, and locked down the teams best receivers at times taking them totally out of the game. DHall will get his 5-6 mil per year somewhere else. But that stat holds water about as good as Bonnie and Clydes car.

To be the second worst though in the entire NFL is atrocious, no matter the pass rush or safety play. There are a lot of other starting corners in the NFL and only one player gave up more yards than Hall. That is terrible. Not even the other Redskins corner gave up more yards than Hall. Captain Munerlyn who gets paid 565,000 played better than Hall. Adam Pacman Jones was paid less than a million and payed better than Hall.

Pro football focus has the best free agents available at corner and you can see where hall's rating is... -3.2... That is not worth 5+ million, I do not care what other excuses he might have, he should not be playing that bad for what the Skins were paying him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...t-cornerbacks/

takethecake · 03-13-2013, 08:35 AM

Didn't Hall play through injuries quite a bit last year? Or am I making that up? Might have hurt his performance

Skins4L · 03-13-2013, 09:50 PM

If we can get him at a cheaper price than say Talib... hes worth it on a one year deal and keep some cap $ for next year. I feel like weve degressed this offseason or on our way when its all said and done. Were not in a position to give Griffin any new weapons when we all know he needs one cause hes gonna have to stay in the pocket a little more. And also are not in the position to bolster our defense which is in desperate need in the back end now.

tryfuhl · 03-14-2013, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And he'll probably be available.

Mike Shanahan Calls Nnamdi Asomugha the Most Underrated Player Ever

(Quote is from 2008)

Funny how he doesnt come close to top cb discussion now.. plus shanny isnt in same division... well last year he was again...

tryfuhl · 03-14-2013, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

There is a difference between being overrated and being misused. The Eagles misused him horribly. Nhamdi is a shut down corner (at least was before joining the eagles), and the eagles had him standing in soft zones.

Could you imagine if a team told Deion Sanders to stand in the flat and wait for a RB or TE to come to your zone? Or to just run straight back 40 yards and cover a deep third of the field? That would have turned Deion from a HOFer to a quality return man.

What Nhamdi was good at was taking the best receiver out of the offense. The eagles had him jumping TE flat patterns when the TE was the third option.

This is true

tryfuhl · 03-14-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

To be the second worst though in the entire NFL is atrocious, no matter the pass rush or safety play. There are a lot of other starting corners in the NFL and only one player gave up more yards than Hall. That is terrible. Not even the other Redskins corner gave up more yards than Hall. Captain Munerlyn who gets paid 565,000 played better than Hall. Adam Pacman Jones was paid less than a million and payed better than Hall.

Pro football focus has the best free agents available at corner and you can see where hall's rating is... -3.2... That is not worth 5+ million, I do not care what other excuses he might have, he should not be playing that bad for what the Skins were paying him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...t-cornerbacks/

I am nots aying Hall was a top coverage cornerback but I would be interested to see how the stats were compiled.. watching games it appears the safeties let him down a lot

Skins4L · 03-14-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I'd be happier with DHall and his cheaper contract.

agreed.

03-01-2013, 04:53 PM	#16
Schneed10 RG Glee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 33 Posts: 7,897	Re: Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game" He doesn't fit Haslett's scheme any better than he fit Philly's. He's a great press-man guy, but in a zone scheme he struggles. __________________ Skins' Salary Cap Status \| CrazyCanuck's Cap Figures by Player \| Salary Cap 101

03-12-2013, 01:09 AM	#18
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game" I'd be happier with DHall and his cheaper contract. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

03-12-2013, 01:14 AM	#19
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,021	Re: Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game" Like to pose this question to the "brains" around here: do we ask a lot of our corners? Schematically wise I think we do. Aside from the Steelers few teams (successfully) use the corner blitz. Our late season success saw a lot of that kind of scheming btw. Sure, Orakpo will be back. Is he gonna change everything? I hope not if you get my drift. Hall knows the scheme and plays it well when he's serious out there. Whatever he's lost in talent is off-set by experience and knowledge. I highly, highly doubt there's a CB in draft/FA who would overall outperform Hall next season as a Redskin. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

03-13-2013, 08:35 AM	#25
takethecake Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Clarksville, MD Age: 24 Posts: 267	Re: Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game" Didn't Hall play through injuries quite a bit last year? Or am I making that up? Might have hurt his performance

03-13-2013, 09:50 PM	#26
Skins4L Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 538	Re: Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game" If we can get him at a cheaper price than say Talib... hes worth it on a one year deal and keep some cap $ for next year. I feel like weve degressed this offseason or on our way when its all said and done. Were not in a position to give Griffin any new weapons when we all know he needs one cause hes gonna have to stay in the pocket a little more. And also are not in the position to bolster our defense which is in desperate need in the back end now. __________________ ALL HAIL

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