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Old 03-04-2013, 01:37 PM   #31
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Zo has earned his chance to get a better contract period, I just feel that it won't be with the Redskins.
How much better though? His last deal was 3 yrs for $3.8M. I wouldn't go above 3 yrs $5 or $6M max.

I don't foresee teams beating down his door to give him anything too significant. I can see him returning here with a reasonable deal.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:59 PM   #32
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Adam Jones signed, 2 yrs/$8 million, with $3.5 million guaranteed for skill, and cap, but two full years for injury. Five year deal with a player void option after two years (cap number: $2.5 million)

Claim Rolando McClain off waivers from Oakland and immediately restructure contact, converting base salary in 2013 to a signing bonus amortized over five years (but voiding after year two) (Cap number: $2.1 million).
I'd like to think that you're just kidding. These two people are nothing but trouble of the worst kind. I don't think the Redskins should have anything to do with either of them, much less both of them. I think the Skins need to rebuild with good people who are likely to be around for awhile.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:08 PM   #33
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Undervalued

1. Alfred Morris, Halfback

In the battle between the Redskins star rookies, Morris wins this time as his sixth-round money was significantly lower than Robert Griffin IIIís second overall pick money. His 51.0 Elusive Rating was fifth-best among all halfbacks. While a lot of people worry about players hitting a rookie wall, Morris actually improved late in the season with four straight games with five or six missed tackles caused to end the regular season.

2012 Cap Hit: $420k
2012 Performance Based Value: $9.8m
Value Differential: +$9.4m

2. Robert Griffin III, Quarterback

Throughout the 2012 season everyone let you know just how good Robert Griffin III is, but in case you need another stat to back it up, he averaged 10.8 yards per pass attempt when blitzed. The Redskins will enjoy these next few years getting great value for their star skill players. The only question that remains now is which of the rookie quarterbacks was most undervalued in 2012.

2012 Cap Hit: $3.8m
2012 Performance Based Value: $11.3m
Value Differential: +$7.5m

3. Ryan Kerrigan, Outside Linebacker

With Brian Orakpo injured, the Redskins counted on Kerrigan for all of their pass rushing needs. He ended up with nine sacks, nine hits and 51 hurries, which is fairly good even though it was on a high 611 pass rushes. While he isnít yet in the same category as the best pass rushers in the league, Kerrigan is certainly an asset and worth more than his rookie contract.

2012 Cap Hit: $2.0m
2012 Performance Based Value: $7.7m
Value Differential: +$5.7m

Overvalued


1. Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle

The problem here is not that Trent Williams is a bad offensive tackle. In fact, he allowed just four sacks, two hits and 18 hurries which is very good, and he also had the seventh-best run block rating for left tackles, at +7.5. The problem is that his cap hit was ridiculously high in 2012. While it will go down in future years in his contract, it is still higher than the $6.9m he should have made in 2012. If he wants to live up to future years of his contract, he will have to do more to set himself apart from the other tackles.

2012 Cap Hit: $14.0m
2012 Performance Based Value: $6.9m
Value Differential: -$7.1m

2. DeAngelo Hall, Cornerback

Hall is a high risk, high reward cornerback. He allowed 1,045 passing yards this year, the second-most for all cornerbacks, which is a huge concern. On the bright side, he did have four interceptions and nine passes defended, which explains why his Performance Based Value is as high as it is. The bad news for Redskins fans is his cap hit is just going to get higher as we get further into his contract.

2012 Cap Hit: $6.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.9m
Value Differential: -$4.7m

3. Stephen Bowen, Defensive End

The Redskins used Bowen more than any other defensive linemen in 2012, but the problem was he wasnít very effective on his snaps. His raw numbers of three sacks, six hits and 20 hurries look decent, but it came on a very high 531 pass rushes. He had some good games against the run to somewhat make up for it, but with so many of his snaps being pass rushes thatís not enough to justify $4.5 million.

2012 Cap Hit: $4.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.2m
Value Differential: -$3.3m
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:53 PM   #34
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I'd like to think that you're just kidding. These two people are nothing but trouble of the worst kind. I don't think the Redskins should have anything to do with either of them, much less both of them. I think the Skins need to rebuild with good people who are likely to be around for awhile.
He's not. And call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind pac man and I would certainly love to have Rolando here.

The reason why pac mans name is being thrown around is because he quietly had one of the best seasons a CB had this year in the league.

Rolando, I think he just needs a change of scenary and leadership which I still think this team will have with or without Fletcher (Orakpo, Cofield, RG3). I think that if Rolando came here he'd be indetical to what Brandon Spikes is in New England (an occasional controversial tweet or hit on the field, but nothing major) than what he is in Oakland, with poor coaching and being in the wrong system with other players that are out of control could care less about winning, more about that paycheck, kind of guys.
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:12 PM   #35
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Alexander needed to take over Fletcher's spot...
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He's not. And call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind pac man and I would certainly love to have Rolando here.

The reason why pac mans name is being thrown around is because he quietly had one of the best seasons a CB had this year in the league.

Rolando, I think he just needs a change of scenary and leadership which I still think this team will have with or without Fletcher (Orakpo, Cofield, RG3). I think that if Rolando came here he'd be indetical to what Brandon Spikes is in New England (an occasional controversial tweet or hit on the field, but nothing major) than what he is in Oakland, with poor coaching and being in the wrong system with other players that are out of control could care less about winning, more about that paycheck, kind of guys.
CB, you know I've complimented you on some of your posts, but you are way off the mark on this one.

You want to find out if these two knuckleheads will behave if they are in a better environment with grown-up teammates to babysit them? I think that's much too risky under our current circumstances. We only have a limited amount to spend in FA and I'd rather not take a chance on these miscreants.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:48 AM   #37
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One thing that has made Shanahan (reasonably) successful so far in his Skins tenure is collecting high-character guys for the roster and letting those of lesser character leave. To bring in Pacman and/or McClain would run counter to this method.
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CB, you know I've complimented you on some of your posts, but you are way off the mark on this one.

You want to find out if these two knuckleheads will behave if they are in a better environment with grown-up teammates to babysit them? I think that's much too risky under our current circumstances. We only have a limited amount to spend in FA and I'd rather not take a chance on these miscreants.
To respond to yours and lotus's posts at once, shanahan has taken risks on players with bad character in the past (Brandon Marshall, Maurice clarette, Trent Williams, bill romanowski to name a few).

I'm not going to argue about pacman. He's F'ed up enough.

Rolando, he's had two notable run ins with the law recently. But back in college and his other year in the pros he was clean. I feel like he may be a guy that like I said needs a change of scenery.

He's worth a 7th rounder and a conditional pick that can escalade if he performs well.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:25 AM   #39
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he's certaintly worth that ^
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:28 AM   #40
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Players I would cut:

Moss
D. Hall
Carriker



I'd resign Hall if his number would be in the 2-3mil/year range, other than that he can hit the streets.


We need to bring Morgan's cap figure down. If not, cut him as well. He's played well, but not for that type of money.
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I have a hard time worrying about the cap because we have one of these threads each year and each year it seems we find the cap money we need.
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morgan was quietly VERY solid for us last year, as a WR and a blocker... i honestly couldn't justify cutting him at all... but def try and re-structure his # ... and i couldn't really see cutting Moss either... who is going to replace the big plays, clutch plays and overall production he put up for us last year?
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Id stay away from McClain. He just tryed the false name to a cop trick that never works in January. I couldnt trust him, bad news and actually a bust. We dont need him.

Wouldnt cut Morgan. He's proven to be a good player and will get better.
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Morgan was our best WR last yr damn near
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I have a hard time worrying about the cap because we have one of these threads each year and each year it seems we find the cap money we need.
"Find the cap money we need" - thats interesting. We made the playoffs last year while dealing with an 18MM cap hit. Yes, we were under the cap and made a nice run... but how much further could we have gone if we'd spent that 18MM on some better offensive linemen to protect griffin. Or 2-3 really good starters in the secondary. Do you think, if we had a better secondary, we would have one 2 more games? I do. and that would have resulted in a 1st round bye. 3 more wins and we'd have clinched homefield throughout the playoffs.

The issue is not "finding the cap money we need" to get sign 53 players under the salary cap. The issue is how much less talented of a team we will to put on the field in 2013 because the NFL took 15% of our cap away.
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