Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle

That Guy · 03-09-2013, 05:33 PM

yeah, if we're taking the hit, we should go young and cheap (in general). no sense in paying hall 8mill when he's getting older and we already know he can't play. I'd rather have a midlevel replacement + young + paulsen + lorenzo.

JoeRedskin · 03-09-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I think Hall is as good as gone. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay with the skins and pushing for the superbowl, but in the end, I see him taking the money elsewhere.

He will prolly get between 5-7 million a year somewhere else, no way he signs here for under 5. I just can't see it. His play was VERY good the last 9-10 games of the season. He's gonna get his money. His contract looks too difficult to restructure with what we need, and the amount we have.

Next man up.

If he gets 5M or more/year I would be shocked. In addition to being old and average at best, the market is flooded with DB's on the backside of their prime. He would not even be the best CB on the market.

Mechanix544 · 03-09-2013, 07:13 PM

I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed.

And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years.

I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.

CultBrennan59 · 03-09-2013, 08:07 PM

Edit wrong thread

Chief X_Phackter · 03-09-2013, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed.

And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years.

I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.

I wouldn't be upset about that either, but I also doubt that will happen.

Lotus · 03-09-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed.

And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years.

I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.

IMO Josh Wilson is our best DB. He played under the same conditions as Hall yet did not give up the gobs of yardage that Hall did.

CultBrennan59 · 03-09-2013, 09:38 PM

So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-09-2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion.

That would be nice.

CRedskinsRule · 03-09-2013, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion.

from. HTTR24_7
#Redskins will not partner with the NFLPA. Skins just want cap back, NFLPA wants to prove collusion to grab millions in damages.

CultBrennan59 · 03-09-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

from. HTTR_247
#Redskins will not partner with the NFLPA. Skins just want cap back, NFLPA wants to prove collusion to grab millions in damages.

That would be one of the sources!

I think the next 2 days are going to get really interesting. Wouldn't be surprised to see us sue the league the day before Free Agency just like them dropping the hammer on us the day before free agency.

MTK · 03-09-2013, 10:32 PM

Just a request to please quote sources even from twitter, let's give credit where it's due.

Redskin Warrior · 03-10-2013, 01:09 AM

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SBXVII · 03-10-2013, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

from. HTTR_247
#Redskins will not partner with the NFLPA. Skins just want cap back, NFLPA wants to prove collusion to grab millions in damages.

Most likely won't partner, but I took it to mean they would be willing to tell whoever they did not agree to the "gentleman's agreement" if its needed for the law suit. Just in case the NFL tries the same BS again that everyone agreed which is why they punished.

What baffles me is a gentleman's agreement is just that nothing more, its usually not something you can hold someone to or in this case punish someone for. Otherwise they would have put it to paper all the owners would have signed it and it would have fallen into contract law. You can't have a gentleman's agreement to break the law......that's called conspiracy.

I say file the suit. Name the NFLPA as a witness. Make the NFL sweat over what's going to come out, what will the Skins say about the "agreement". And will the Feds get involved if unwanted info gets out?

Maybe then the other owners will concede and give back the CAP space so we can drop the suit.

Besides the NFL agreed to the contracts when they should ha e denied them.

CRedskinsRule · 03-10-2013, 05:15 AM

In order for the Skins to get any cap relief I would think the NFLPA would have to sign off on the deal, unless a court ordered it, just like they had to sign off on the penalty. The fact that they want to use it to revisit the CBA or the collusion case instead of doing what is right, pretty much stymies any efforts the Skins might make. Like Schneed said earlier, these deals seem to show that the Skins are going to bite the bullet this year, and then move on. Hopefully DS learned a life lesson about over committing to pull in big name FAs.

SmootSmack · 04-02-2013, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

The only thing I can guarantee, is that no matter we all say we should do on this thread or what we throw out there, we always do a move or two of complete shock.

How many of us predicted we'd sign Garcon at this point last year. My memories kind of faded, but I don't remember SS saying we'd get him or we were even interested in him at this point last year.

Said it in February if not sooner. Said Garcon, Golston, and Royal were on our radar. With Garcon the priority. Had no clue about Morgan and guess I was wrong about Golston.

This year was a lot tougher to tell. Biggers I knew we had interest, but he wasn't a priority. There was no clear cut #1 target for us it seemed.

03-09-2013, 05:33 PM	#106
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 35 Posts: 17,210	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle yeah, if we're taking the hit, we should go young and cheap (in general). no sense in paying hall 8mill when he's getting older and we already know he can't play. I'd rather have a midlevel replacement + young + paulsen + lorenzo. __________________ Who says shameless self promotion is stupid? oh yeah, that was me... Click For Tunes!

03-09-2013, 07:13 PM	#108
Mechanix544 The Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Bliss, TX Posts: 2,277	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed. And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years. I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.

03-09-2013, 08:07 PM	#109
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle Edit wrong thread __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

03-09-2013, 09:38 PM	#112
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

03-09-2013, 10:32 PM	#116
MTK ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 90,214	Re: Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle Just a request to please quote sources even from twitter, let's give credit where it's due. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-10-2013, 05:15 AM	#119
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pasadena, Md Age: 50 Posts: 15,713	In order for the Skins to get any cap relief I would think the NFLPA would have to sign off on the deal, unless a court ordered it, just like they had to sign off on the penalty. The fact that they want to use it to revisit the CBA or the collusion case instead of doing what is right, pretty much stymies any efforts the Skins might make. Like Schneed said earlier, these deals seem to show that the Skins are going to bite the bullet this year, and then move on. Hopefully DS learned a life lesson about over committing to pull in big name FAs. __________________ Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.

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