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Old 03-13-2013, 12:48 PM   #496
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I wouldn't expect any big name guy. (Talib mostly) I thought this tweet was pretty funny and accurate.



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If Eric Schaffer can fit Talib into the current cap then he needs to start a ponzi scheme..
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:49 PM   #497
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When Vinny Cerrato was GM the month of March was exciting .... with Bruce Allen at GM the months of Dec / Jan will be exciting for years to come.
I Agree with that. Finally making the right moves in march and April to win in December/January and maybe one day in February. Let Miami win right now, just like Tampa bay last year... How did it end up for Tampa bay?
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I smell a cap space oppurtunity.
Cutting him only frees up about $438k
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:05 PM   #499
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I wouldn't expect any big name guy. (Talib mostly) I thought this tweet was pretty funny and accurate.



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If Eric Schaffer can fit Talib into the current cap then he needs to start a ponzi scheme..
Ok so I'm not up on all the new rules but a co-worker said that the players bonus's don't count against the CAP?

So if that is true then we could offer both Talib and the CB from Miami, Smith, a 1 yr huge signing bonus and both a 1 mill contract each, then next year give them a nice contract over a few yrs. We could get both maybe?

Yes? No?
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:06 PM   #500
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Wouldn't you also be grooming Hall as your safety?
Hall's skill set measures out pretty strong at safety i.e. he'll immediately be an upgrade over Williams. Williams has minimal ball-hawk intuition, Hall is way above average in that regard. Hall can be tough as nails when he wants to be, and just as importantly has a high football IQ to sniff out plays. Obviously that's partly why he's a ball hawk, and the move to safety will maximize his skill set.

It's the smart move for the Skins IMO. Irresponsible to count on a 2nd/3rd round draft pick to have the football IQ to play FS well. We can look at other FAs, but they're either gonna command more than Hall or be one year stop gaps. And, again our defense is unique. Hall knows it inside and out.
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I smell a cap space oppurtunity.
According to the cap info here, Helu is set to make $673,000 this year. If we released him, we'd take a $235,000 hit, so we'd ultimately end up saving $438,000.

That said, we have to think about who'd we replace him with. If we replaced him with a rookie, it would cost, at minimum, $405,000. Minimum for a 3 year veteran would be $630,000. Ultimately, cutting/replacing helu would result in minimal savings or actually be more expensive. The ideal solution would be for Helu to come back healthy and do what we drafted him to do.
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When Vinny Cerrato was GM the month of March was exciting .... with Bruce Allen at GM the months of Dec / Jan will be exciting for years to come.

Actually this has been from a NFL stand point a boring FA Class; not just the Redskins.
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:10 PM   #503
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the signing bonus is spread out evenly over the years of the contract. incentives count either the year they are enacted or the year after (depending on the type) and roster bonuses count in full the year they're enacted.

so the current restructures probably involved unlikely to be earned incentives (which count against next year if reached). if moss caught 27 balls this year, the incentive could be to catch 28 next year and it'd be unlikely i believe.
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Ok so I'm not up on all the new rules but a co-worker said that the players bonus's don't count against the CAP?

So if that is true then we could offer both Talib and the CB from Miami, Smith, a 1 yr huge signing bonus and both a 1 mill contract each, then next year give them a nice contract over a few yrs. We could get both maybe?

Yes? No?
All paid bonuses count against the cap. Signing bonuses are prorated over the life of the contract.

Performance bonuses are paid either this year or next based on how easy they are to obtain. A bonus of 1 mil for playing a single game, the NFL will count that this year since its considered easily obtainable. A bonus of 1 mil for having 10 TD's for a RB or WR will count next year if they reach that incentive this year.

Every bonus paid out counts against the cap somehow.
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the signing bonus is spread out evenly over the years of the contract. incentives count either the year they are enacted or the year after (depending on the type) and roster bonuses count in full the year they're enacted.

so the current restructures probably involved unlikely to be earned incentives (which count against next year if reached). if moss caught 27 balls this year, the incentive could be to catch 28 next year and it'd be unlikely i believe.
I see. I thought bonus $ counted against the CAP. My idiot friend apparently does not.
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According to the cap info here, Helu is set to make $673,000 this year. If we released him, we'd take a $235,000 hit, so we'd ultimately end up saving $438,000.

That said, we have to think about who'd we replace him with. If we replaced him with a rookie, it would cost, at minimum, $405,000. Minimum for a 3 year veteran would be $630,000. Ultimately, cutting/replacing helu would result in minimal savings or actually be more expensive. The ideal solution would be for Helu to come back healthy and do what we drafted him to do.
Personally, I think the team is unsure if he will be able to come back 100% or come back on time. I also thought there was something wrong with Royster as well?

I'd probably cut Helu and take a chance on drafting someone fast/edge runner in the 6th round again. Otherwise the radio was talking about how the team could restructure some other players to get more CAP space to pick up another player if need be.
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I think Mike and Kyle would have Reggie be a slot WR on some plays and then of course RB on 3rd down. I'm sure he'd be down for that .
Word to the turd. Can't bank on Helu, and I loved that kids potential. Morris and Bush duo would be deadly. Do it.
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What about Fred Davis
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:25 PM   #509
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Hall's skill set measures out pretty strong at safety i.e. he'll immediately be an upgrade over Williams. Williams has minimal ball-hawk intuition, Hall is way above average in that regard. Hall can be tough as nails when he wants to be, and just as importantly has a high football IQ to sniff out plays. Obviously that's partly why he's a ball hawk, and the move to safety will maximize his skill set.

It's the smart move for the Skins IMO. Irresponsible to count on a 2nd/3rd round draft pick to have the football IQ to play FS well. We can look at other FAs, but they're either gonna command more than Hall or be one year stop gaps. And, again our defense is unique. Hall knows it inside and out.
Almost every defense in the NFL is unique. Halls biggest problem is he bites on plays and lets players behind him... And hall got dragged by jake delhome, I will never forget that. He's a good tackler for a corner, but for a safety he's below average and running backs and tight ends would drag him. I think I would draft a safety who played safety in college and has experience playing safety and understands he can't let someone behind him. So agree to disagree. I don't see hall playing safety all that well, especially with how inconsistent he is and how often he gets beat by average receivers
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Word to the turd. Can't bank on Helu, and I loved that kids potential. Morris and Bush duo would be deadly. Do it.
Looks like its too late now according to Espn
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