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Old 03-13-2013, 12:45 PM   #256
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I'm not an apologist, I just have some common sense.
On here sometimes, they both go hand in hand apparently.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:47 PM   #257
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I think people's thing is not putting him up on a pedestal like he is great, but that he is a serviceable player who ALREADY KNOWS out system, and there aren't any other FA CBs out there that we can afford. So maybe he gives us a hometown discount and comes back. I think that is all it is.
So we should not upgrade positions with more talent because they do not know the system? Well RG3 shouldn't have been drafted then cause grossman already knew the system...

The only reason hall would agree to a discount is if no one else wants him. Which could happen.
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Let me see if I have this straight.

D Hall was the only reason fans ever complained, and now that he is gone, the complaining will stop with 100% certainty.

Not sure if most here are all in for betting, but I wouldnt worry about checking the odds in Vegas on that actually happening.
I know the complaining won't end, but at least the stupid Hall haters vs. Hall apologists will tone down significantly.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:53 PM   #259
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And so will the stupid Belichick haters.
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I don't love Hall I'm just saying he's better than winfield.
The numbers last year don't really bear that out. Only one other starting corner gave up more yards than Hall.
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So we should not upgrade positions with more talent because they do not know the system? Well RG3 shouldn't have been drafted then cause grossman already knew the system...

The only reason hall would agree to a discount is if no one else wants him. Which could happen.
You do realize that all he was doing was giving a "possible" explanation as to why some would want D Hall back. He never once said that RG3 sucks and Rex is the greatest QB ever.
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Knowing the system isn't a sole reason to keep someone.
Read more carefully. I am saying that the other FA players at his position are no better than he, or are not attainable due to our limited cap. Since he knows our system already, he gets the edge over other similar players. I was not insinuating that is the only reason. Just the one that could tip the scales in his favor if all things are equal.
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You do realize that all he was doing was giving a "possible" explanation as to why some would want D Hall back. He never once said that RG3 sucks and Rex is the greatest QB ever.
He was stating that the skins should keep hall because he already knew the system. All I'm saying is that is not a legit reason to keep someone

Nevermind he just cleared it up above. My mistake
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winfield could be a great 1-2 year stop gap. he played well last year, and he might be the best available cb for this year. we'll be drafting a couple dbs and we'll have money next year, so i'd be completely okay with that under the current circumstances.
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Like I posted the other day, I hope Hall signs with Dallas so RGIII can torch his ass on a regular basis.
I'm not a huge Hall of fan either, but you have to give him credit. He was w/out question our best DB the last half of the season. He played great against Dez Bryant the last game of the season.
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The numbers last year don't really bear that out. Only one other starting corner gave up more yards than Hall.
I'm sure the lack of safety help and lack of pass rush plays into that.
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I'm sure the lack of safety help and lack of pass rush plays into that.
Being second worst in the NFL has no excuses. There are other corners with that dilemma and they were not second worst in the entire NFL
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Rotoworld is saying that the Lions signed Reggie Bush to a four year deal.
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Being second worst in the NFL has no excuses. There are other corners with that dilemma and they were not second worst in the entire NFL
Depends on the stat. Most yards given up by a CB is about as important of a stat as who ate the most sandwiches during the week.

Between zone and man, pass rush, safety help, ect. There is way to many variables to come into play. If you run a lot of zone, then the CB cant jump anything that comes his way. If you do that, OC's will send a player into your zone with the intention of you jumping them. Then they leave that zone and bring a second receiver into the zone. So a CB jumps the wrong receiver, yet is credited with a good play because the receiver he jumped didnt make a catch, when in actuality, the play was entirely his fault since he left his zone unattended.

Man to man with safety help over the top. The CB plays underneath forcing a throw to be over the CB but under the safety. M. Williams is over chatting with the cheerleaders so its an easy throw over the top for the QB. The CB is credited with a terrible play and giving up yards, yet he played it perfectly. He stopped the underneath throw and forced the QB to go over him and under the safety. The problem is the safety, but the stats go against the CB.

When a stat rates bad play as good and visa versa, we need to ask ourselves how important of a stat it actually is.

If we put every CB into man to man with no safety help on every play, then mandate that the ball is throw at exactly 3.5 seconds after the snap every single time, then that stat holds water.
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Read more carefully. I am saying that the other FA players at his position are no better than he, or are not attainable due to our limited cap. Since he knows our system already, he gets the edge over other similar players. I was not insinuating that is the only reason. Just the one that could tip the scales in his favor if all things are equal.
I understand that, I am saying there are some that say keep Hall just because he knows the system.
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