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Old 03-15-2013, 02:06 PM   #31
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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

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No he can't turn himself into a missile and use his helmet as a battering ram. He may use his shoulder or torso or whatever...just not his helmet....just like defenders can't either. Never made sense to me that defenders would get flagged repeatedly for it when ball-carriers didn't.
Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.
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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of



It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:47 PM   #33
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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

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I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of



It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.
No doubt those type of hits are dangerous.
In a one on one open field situation like in the picture I could see the rule being of some use but in traffic it will sap the game.
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:53 PM   #34
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Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.
As we can tell from Fisher's quote, the issue is not the lowering of the head. The issue is using the helmet as a weapon. My reading is that you can lower your head as long as you don't do so to create a weapon.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:47 PM   #35
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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
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I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of



It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.
I'm not sure I see any RB's dip their heads to this level. This is flat out dangerous on Duane Thomas' part....and even more dangerous on the defender. Both heads should be up where the face masks can be seen. But even then, the helmets will still colide.
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Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.
Again...you're allowed to do so.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:54 PM   #38
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The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
I don't disagree with you here. The the constant increase in complexity to the rules has to make it harder on the officials to do their job in general.
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I'm not sure I see any RB's dip their heads to this level. This is flat out dangerous on Duane Thomas' part....and even more dangerous on the defender. Both heads should be up where the face masks can be seen. But even then, the helmets will still colide.
LeSean McCoy of the Eagles in week 11 vs. Redskins last season got a bad concussion and missed 4 weeks when he lowered his head in a very similar move.

As soon as I saw this topic I thought about that play and wonder if it had anything to do with the creating of this rule. The LeSean McCoy Rule.
That was an ugly play and both players were lucky to not have a career ending injury.

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The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
With FRPLG, I agree with you on this. Judging intent is always dicey and difficult.
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The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.
not that I want to extend the game, but if they are going to have these type of calls, there ought to be an expanded review system where you can challenge bang-bang type plays.
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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

Just to be clear...I think it is a terribly imperfect rule but in any case it should go both ways.
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not that I want to extend the game, but if they are going to have these type of calls, there ought to be an expanded review system where you can challenge bang-bang type plays.
No way can they do this. The games are already getting to be too long w/ too much starting and stopping. We'll be watching 4 hour games.
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:33 PM   #44
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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

Do it. Players shouldn't lead WITH THE CROWN of their helmets on offense or defense. With the exception that if a ball carrier dives forward, he's fair game to helmet-to-helmet contact like today (no spearing/late hits/etc.). If he slides like a QB, he gets the same protection a QB does (maybe he does already).

And make "stiff arms" illegal too. In an era where defenders ability to tackle, or even interfere with a WR making a catch, are being nitpicked to death: RBs shouldn't have the right to facemask and punch defenders at will.

edit: Tried to clarify what I meant about when the ball carrier dives forward.

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Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.

Refs are going to need more flags. What a crock. When I heard this last week it reminded me of one play in particular. Im sure the blowhards will respond, well look at him now he cant even walk, its for the safety of the game blah blah. I know a machinist who worked 30 years cant even open his hands. I know a roofer who has serious back problems.

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