Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room


Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Redskins Locker Room


Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-03-2013, 05:44 PM   #601
The Starter
 
sdskinsfan2001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Diego, CA
Age: 31
Posts: 1,139
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin Walton View Post
So if Griffins knee is not ready until October/November you would start Pat White?
C'mon man......
Concur! How could anyone watch Kirk Cousins perform last year and decide that he should be traded because he plays a different game than RGIII? You go with best player available at the QB position and adjust the offense accordingly. Kirk Cousins is a top 32 qb in this league and would be a starter on any number of teams. We need to keep him for a minimum of this year and most likely at least 2 more seasons till we can draft another qb in the later rounds and develop into a backup.

Pat White would have to have an AMAZING camp to have a chance to make the team, and there is no way his spot comes at the expense of KC's. Either Grossman or another positional player would be let go.
__________________
What the... That's it! Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn! Einhorn is a man!
sdskinsfan2001 is offline  

Advertisements
Old 04-03-2013, 05:59 PM   #602
Registered User
 
The Goat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,662
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule View Post
I seriously don't understand why, after a full season on this board, and with several excellent football discussions of the specifics about the Shanahan stretch run offense tied to the zone read offense thru use of the pistol, some people still call it an attempt to make Griffin into a "running qb". Griffin is a qb. He runs. Those two facts together do not equal the dreaded running qb syndrome.

There are 11 guys on offense and 11 guys on defense. If you force the defense to play against the whole field, you have a higher percentage of winning plays. It really isn't complicated and it isn't some plot to ruin the health of an outstanding young talent.
It's...just...those...pesky...facts! He ran more than any rookie QB in NFL history, and has the injuries to prove it
The Goat is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 06:51 PM   #603
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 42
Posts: 83,368
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Are we ignoring the fact he was injured while scrambling and not on designed runs?
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:10 PM   #604
Playmaker
 
Alvin Walton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 4,422
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
Are we ignoring the fact he was injured while scrambling and not on designed runs?
Which time?
Which game?
__________________
REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968
Alvin Walton is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:19 PM   #605
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,876
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Goat View Post
It's...just...those...pesky...facts! He ran more than any rookie QB in NFL history, and has the injuries to prove it
Griffin's injuries come from Griffin trying to get an extra oomph on critical downs. I can't fault him for that, but it wasn't due to the design of the offense. Right before Ngata hit him (on a scramble) he chose to cut inside. Why, because the game was on the line, and he saw an opportunity to make a play. Love his guts, hate his choice. Had he stepped out of bounds, we probably wouldn't be having this repeated discussion, but he chose to cut inside. Every designed run took him outside to the edge, ie get what you can and get out.

His injuries prove he didn't understand how fast and hard the rest of the NFL is. After his concussion, you never saw him do that same type again all season. He got it, he understood. He will do the same with the Ngata injury. But it will be hard for him.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:20 PM   #606
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,876
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin Walton View Post
Which time?
Which game?
both the Atlanta game(concussion) and Baltimore game(knee) were not designed runs
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:22 PM   #607
‎\m/
 
Mattyk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Age: 42
Posts: 83,368
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin Walton View Post
Which time?
Which game?
Both times
__________________
Support The Warpath! | Warpath Shop
Mattyk is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:28 PM   #608
Registered User
 
The Goat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,662
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

RG also took brutal, brutal hits in the pocket. More often on drop backs than any other QB per some sources. What's the difference? None, absolutely none.

QBs with shit lines get killed. Just like running QBs get killed. Picking out plays here and there to somehow disregard those two basic realities...are like staring at a single tree in the middle of the forest.
The Goat is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:28 PM   #609
Playmaker
 
Alvin Walton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 4,422
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule View Post
both the Atlanta game(concussion) and Baltimore game(knee) were not designed runs
Those were both his fault.
He should have slid way before that.
Rookie mistake + trying to be a hero.
__________________
REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968
Alvin Walton is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:30 PM   #610
Playmaker
 
Alvin Walton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 4,422
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Goat View Post
RG also took brutal, brutal hits in the pocket. More often on drop backs than any other QB per some sources. What's the difference? None, absolutely none.

QBs with shit lines get killed. Just like running QBs get killed. Picking out plays here and there to somehow disregard those two basic realities...are like staring at a single tree in the middle of the forest.
There is a difference.
How many QBs get knee tears and concussions in the pocket.
__________________
REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968
Alvin Walton is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:32 PM   #611
Gamebreaker
 
CRedskinsRule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Pasadena, Md
Age: 47
Posts: 12,876
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

It depends. My point is that a well executed zone-read/stretch run operated from the pistol gives the best protection and utilizes Griffins skills the most. It protects him from pocket collapsing crunch hits, and, if he uses good sideline awareness, protects him from harsh hits that a true running qb ala Vick can take. Certainly our line isn't going to be a line that would protect a non-mobile qb, but that's not the type of offense we are building anyways. Our qb will always have to have some level of mobility, even if it's not Griffinesque.
__________________
Dirtbag59, sending songs to oblivion 1 writer at a time.
CRedskinsRule is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 07:34 PM   #612
Playmaker
 
Alvin Walton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 4,422
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyk View Post
Both times
I wouldn't call those scrambles necessarily.
It was a designed run all right.
Designed by RGII at the last second.
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself.
Hes not Christian Okoye.
__________________
REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968
Alvin Walton is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 08:06 PM   #613
The Starter
 
donofriose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,944
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin Walton View Post
There is a difference.
How many QBs get knee tears and concussions in the pocket.
Tom Brady tore his knee. Carson Palmer tore his arm and his knee, Big Ben hurt his shoulder, Peyton manning needed 4 neck surgeries, thiesman broke his leg in the pocket... People get injured in the pocket. Elway, young and Rodgers scramble a lot and never really got hurt (young did toward the end though). I do think RG3 will be a great pocket passer in due time. Saw it at Baylor with an average college Oline and I do believe that RG3 will develop into a faster Aaron Rodgers
donofriose is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 08:07 PM   #614
The Starter
 
donofriose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,944
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alvin Walton View Post
I wouldn't call those scrambles necessarily.
It was a designed run all right.
Designed by RGII at the last second.
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself.
Hes not Christian Okoye.
What is your definition of a scramble then?
donofriose is offline  
Old 04-03-2013, 08:20 PM   #615
Playmaker
 
Alvin Walton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Holland, Michigan
Posts: 4,422
Re: Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

Quote:
Originally Posted by donofriose View Post
What is your definition of a scramble then?
Leaving the pocket to avoid a sack.

Granted that a QB would be an idiot to not take advantage of the vacant yards in front of him when that happens, but Bob Griff has a bad case of end zone fever.
I think the Vikings game spoiled him.
__________________
REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968
Alvin Walton is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.32505 seconds with 9 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25