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Old 03-31-2013, 04:56 AM   #91
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i dunno... the whole kolb thing is pretty stupid too.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:32 AM   #92
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So, so wrong. You don't get paid in the NFL based on past production. You get paid for repeatable skills.

Since winning "event" games isn't a skill, i.e. no player is more or less likely to win a single event in the future than the past, it is not valued. The abilities that translate to wins are valued, but past record (particularly team record) doesn't mean anything.

You call "winning" the super bowl and event game and in your opinion it carries no weight in their (the players) contract talks, so your saying you get paid for potential not performance, correct?
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:35 AM   #93
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I think we all (myself certainly) thought that the Giants dumped a ton of money into Eli in 2009 when he was a mediocre player on a mediocre team and couldn't understand that $100 million deal. But of course, that extension looks great now. The Giants look a lot better because of Eli's contract going forward. I think the Cowboys are hoping for the same thing, and I don't think they are going to get it.
You forget Eli had already won a bowl and a MVP of the game by then, Romo not even close.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:58 AM   #94
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I can't stand it when qb's are based a W/L record. Since when does the QB go out and play against all 11 guys by himself?
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:04 AM   #95
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You forget Eli had already won a bowl and a MVP of the game by then, Romo not even close.
Eli didn't win it by himself. I think the Giants d-line had a lot to do with the first one. Eli did his part though..
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I can't stand it when qb's are based a W/L record. Since when does the QB go out and play against all 11 guys by himself?
I don't think its necessarily the win lose record, I think it is more of the fact if the quarterback puts his team in the best position to win the game. That is why I believe stats are overrated as well. Stafford/Romo/Rivers are perfect examples of players who do not always put their team in positions to win games, but they do fill up a stats sheet. I never expect a quarterback to win a game by themselves (and if they do that means they are elite, like Manning, Brady, Rogers and Brees), but I do expect a quarterback to put their team in the best position to win a game by not throwing pics at the worst times during a game.
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I don't think its necessarily the win lose record, I think it is more of the fact if the quarterback puts his team in the best position to win the game. That is why I believe stats are overrated as well. Stafford/Romo/Rivers are perfect examples of players who do not always put their team in positions to win games, but they do fill up a stats sheet. I never expect a quarterback to win a game by themselves (and if they do that means they are elite, like Manning, Brady, Rogers and Brees), but I do expect a quarterback to put their team in the best position to win a game by not throwing pics at the worst times during a game.
Again though, u can't really put romo in that category because he leads to league in forth quarter wins since 2009. Pretty much Tony is really good until it's an elimination game which is y he's not elite, but he's also not a sorry bumb either. He's pretty good
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That's the problem with team sports though, like if u ask ncskins about Tom Brady's record he'll say it's because of the team around him but if u ask about romos record it's because he sucks. IMO it's about team not 1 guy, Tony has no line at all and no running game. Not to mention Griffin and our offense was owning the Dallas defense in that game.

His fumble game should have been a win against Seattle, that was basically a fluke play
That's the point its not a fluke play for him and he choked the game away. He does have the stats which is why he got this deal but they ignored his play when it really counts. I was watching him play in a golf outing on TV and he was leading by 2 going into the last hole. Guess what he did? Choked and made a double boggy. Mark Rippen won by a stroke. He does not handle preasure at all.
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Again though, u can't really put romo in that category because he leads to league in forth quarter wins since 2009. Pretty much Tony is really good until it's an elimination game which is y he's not elite, but he's also not a sorry bumb either. He's pretty good
I don't think Romo is terrible, I just do not think he is worth 55 million guaranteed. But the cowboys were stuck. Its good for the Skins because I do not see a superbowl win with him because like you said, he seems to save his worst games for most important times of the year.
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Eli didn't win it by himself. I think the Giants d-line had a lot to do with the first one. Eli did his part though..

Yes he did do his part and so like every other winning QB should be compensated for it for what he has done and also for what he can do.
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:58 PM   #101
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Romo has proven over and over again that he can't win when it matters the most. While I agree that he is a somewhat steady presence at the QB position for the Cowpukes, getting paid more than QBs that have won when it mattered is ridiculous. Throw on top of that the fact that Dallas is being ran by one of the worst decision-makers in the league, I don't know how anyone here can defend this contract with a straight face.

It is my understanding that NFL players get paid on production and potential. Romo has provided the team with slightly above average production, something that won't cut it in a team with such high expectations from the media, their "fans", and their front office. Nor will it cut it in a team where being "good enough" gets fired. Also right now, there is nothing that tells me that Romo has the potential to be better than what he has done his whole career.

The Cowpukes are definitely stuck with Romo, but NOTHING he has done justifies the money in this contract.
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You call "winning" the super bowl and event game and in your opinion it carries no weight in their (the players) contract talks, so your saying you get paid for potential not performance, correct?
I think he's referring to the actual pay. No NFL player gets a "salary" for any games past the regular season. Playoff games are covered by bonuses (all equal) and will be higher/lower depending on if you win or lose.

SO when he says you don't get paid to win the super bowl or playoff games, he's right. You don't. You sign those contracts based on the 16 games during the season. Everything else is gravy.
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You call "winning" the super bowl and event game and in your opinion it carries no weight in their (the players) contract talks, so your saying you get paid for potential not performance, correct?
Correct. Ability to lead team to super bowls in the future matters, but number of super bowls previously won does not.
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You forget Eli had already won a bowl and a MVP of the game by then, Romo not even close.
I was wrong looking back on it, but it definitely wasn't because of that.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:11 AM   #105
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But now that the conversation has been steered towards 'meaningful', I really think that paying for Romo's age 34-39 seasons is foolish. It's basically the Alex Rodriguez contract, given the current financial state of the Cowboys. It's not that Romo isn't worth it: his market value is his market value. But why the Cowboys waited to this point to give their quarterback a market value contract makes no sense.

The decline rate among non-elite quarterbacks is pretty sharp starting right around the age Romo is now. Steve McNair was a co-MVP of this league in 2003, but he was completely toast as a player by age 34: the point which this Romo contract starts(!). Trent Green was awesome through age 35, then completely done. Kurt Warner appeared for all the world to be toast by age 35. Really, of all Romo's closest comparables, Favre had MVP seasons in his late thirties and early fourties, and no one else was even remotely successful beyond what amounts to the second year of this extension, or 2015.

If Romo makes this contract looks good, he's a no question first ballot hall of famer. But that's such a tall task. I think the more likely outcome is the Cowboys are the Cowboys for two more seasons (7-9, 8-8), and then they tear down and rebuild while Romo quarterbacks a losing team. He might never appear in the playoffs over the course of the deal, unless they pull a Favre 2007 type rebuild. That's best case scenario for the Cowboys right now.
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