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Old 03-09-2005, 09:49 AM   #16
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Redskins8588: No kidding, maybe if I limp around and bitch about not getting enough beers at the tailgate, Snyder will send a flat screen my way so I can watch from home!
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Old 03-09-2005, 10:10 AM   #17
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yeah - 40 of those passes were behind the line of scrimmage too.
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Old 03-09-2005, 11:45 AM   #18
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What this boils down to is immaturity - on the part of both Coles and Gibbs.

Seems like Gibbs could've merely said to Coles - "Look, I assure you we'll throw downfield a great deal more next season."

For his part, Coles should've sucked up the fact that he was going to have less than a 1000 yards for the season, and not let his "me first" attitude get in the way of the team. We were trying to win that last game against the Vikes, not set up a passing clinic.

That said, its funny to see how many posters, most of whom adored Coles while he was here, called him a true "consumate team-player" and "warrior", are now calling him "bitch" and "thief", and asserting how he's not that good.

Then there are others such as Mike Wise, who are now adopting the Pastabelly approach of questionning whether Gibbs will be successful in his second stint.

My plan is to wait two seasons. I'll give Gibbs 3 years as a head coach - if he can't get us into the playoffs in year 3, can the old man's ass - at that point, he's clearly not proficient at gauging talent without a GM, and the game has clearly passed him by. I'll be the first one to give Kudos to Pastabelly for having the guts to say this before last season even began.

A large part of me hopes this will be our year - a lackluster offseason with modest signings and more draft picks - hopefully, we will be a healthy team, have no key injuries on Offense or Defense, and play consistently on offense. I'm less worried about the defense. Greg Williams had a top-ranked defense while he was head coach at Buffalo - there was no Smoot on that team - only Antoine Winfield, who is not as good as Springs.
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Old 03-09-2005, 11:56 AM   #19
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I think Danny's been watching mafia movies... "I'm gonna bench your ass, fuck with your career, and then I'll send you a flatscreen so you can watch from home..." That little exchange, if it happened, has renewed my faith in snyder. Everyone always defends the player's right to "get paid." As we all know, it's also the bosses right to say "Get back to work or you're fired." I don't feel sorry for Coles. I just hope his toe passes the physical...
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Old 03-09-2005, 11:57 AM   #20
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That said, its funny to see how many posters, most of whom adored Coles while he was here, called him a true "consumate team-player" and "warrior", are now calling him "bitch" and "thief", and asserting how he's not that good.

Things change when you find out that the Catholic priest you always looked up to has been molesting little boys.

I reserve the right to change my opinion of someone as the facts change.
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Old 03-09-2005, 12:20 PM   #21
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And now that everyone here thinks that Danny Boy showed everyone how tough he is/was, can you explain to me how the outcome was a positive one? Lots of tough talk and then the team takes a 9 million dollar suppository for the year. Danny, take a chill pill next time.


By the way, if Joe Gibbs is really and truly the guy who is President of the team and makes ALL football decisions, what was Danny Boy doing mucking around in this situation? Just asking...


BTW, Brud Lee, one of the biggest sources of unattributed information with regard to the Redskins over the past 5 years is Vinnie Cerrato. And if Danny Boy had his ego bruised and decided that he had to teach Coles a lesson by kicking his ass out of town, don't think that it would not be in Danny and Vinnie's best interest to start the classic Redskin whisper campaign about players who have bad attitudes and who don't fit in... I have no idea how that stuff got to the Post, but Coles agent has no more to gain from it being there than the team does.
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Old 03-09-2005, 01:14 PM   #22
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Snyder just got emotional and that's to be understood. If I dished out millions of dollars and a first round pick to bring the guy in, I might get a little ticked too if he wanted out and even squashed an attempt to trade him.

SC, Coles reportedly went to Vinny and Dan at some point because they were responsible for bringing him in. I know you'd prefer it if Snyder was 110% hands off with the team, but as I've said before he does handle most of the financial aspects of the team so it's not inappropriate for him to be talking to Coles, don't you think?
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Old 03-09-2005, 01:38 PM   #23
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The reason I said Coles agent benefits is that Coles is signing a new contract.

3% of no signing bonus is nothing. 3% of a new signing bonus is private school and orthodonture.
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Old 03-09-2005, 05:06 PM   #24
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the way i see it,coles is a 9 million dollar asshole.
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Things change when you find out that the Catholic priest you always looked up to has been molesting little boys.

I reserve the right to change my opinion of someone as the facts change.
Hurrycaine I agree with Redskin Rat.....I thought Coles was a good player playing through pain to help the team...then he went into a tirade demanding to be traded, first he was going to give the Redskins back some money, then he wasn't, now he's badmouthing Gibbs... in other words a chameleon's true colors will always come out...once we found out his true character, we had the right to change our opinion.........
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Old 03-09-2005, 08:38 PM   #26
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Matty:

If I piece together the chronology here, Coles and Gibbs talked about his dissatisfaction with the offense and his desire to leave. If Coles went to Snyder, then obviously, Danny had to talk to him even if only for thge courtesy of that act. HOWEVER, the conversation between Coles and Snyder OUGHT to have made it clear that Joe Gibbs makes 100% of the football decisions. Unless of course that's all a smoke screen...

So, how does Snyder allegedly throwing his weight around by telling Coles that he'll see to it that Coles is benched and not even dressed out for games make that kind of remark without inserting himself ever so rudely into the "football decisions".

My problem is that I think Gibbs - allowed to act on his own in a football sense - would have found a way to do something other than the worst outcome of all. They lose Coles; they take the biggest cap hit possible; they get a guy bqack in a trade who will want some heavy bread real soon; whatever continuity anyone wanted on offense just took a shot in the shorts. Danny Boy's tough guy act was pretty difficult for anyone to walk back from, no?


Brud Lee:

Coles and his agent are much better off the way they are now than they would have been if the team had kept Coles. So, why would they leak info to the Post that would hinder him leaving the team? The info that led to the original story made Coles' release/trade much more difficult and caused everything to slip past the 1 March date. That was not guaranteed to help Coles.

I agree with you that the leak could have come from that side of the table, but it could also have come from the other side too - - and that other side has behaved like this in the past.


To those folks who think Coles is a $9M asshole:

He'd only be a $7M asshole if Danny Boy had only paid him what he was asking for in terms of a signing bonus and not jumped the bid by an extra $3M or so... Size does matter!
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Things change when you find out that the Catholic priest you always looked up to has been molesting little boys.

I reserve the right to change my opinion of someone as the facts change.
Amen to that. I mean, later on we might find out that Gibbs eats babies. Anyone think THAT IS cool?
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My problem is that I think Gibbs - allowed to act on his own in a football sense - would have found a way to do something other than the worst outcome of all. They lose Coles; they take the biggest cap hit possible; they get a guy bqack in a trade who will want some heavy bread real soon; whatever continuity anyone wanted on offense just took a shot in the shorts. Danny Boy's tough guy act was pretty difficult for anyone to walk back from, no?
Very true, but I don't think we can pin all the blame on Snyder or Gibbs for things unraveling and ultimately falling apart. From what I've read it seems like Gibbs and Coles were close to patching things up, then the WPost story leaked on Feb. 21 and that's when things went downhill quickly.

Things could have, and probably should have been handled better regardles of the story being leaked. For that I think both sides have to shoulder some blame. Snyder got emotional and threatened Coles, not a good idea. Coles then squashed the first trade attempt to NY by saying he wanted a new deal and in the process cost us the $5M bonus. That only added fuel to the fire. Sure I can understand Coles not wanting to be cooperative at that point, but two wrongs don't make a right.

I guess we'll never really know who was more right than wrong. Personally I don't think Gibbs would have set anything in stone regarding releasing Coles outright. The possibility was probably presented and Coles might have assumed they had an agreement, but I just don't see Gibbs making a big decision like that without consulting Snyder/Cerrato and exploring all avenues available.
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Old 03-10-2005, 02:24 PM   #29
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Coles on Gibbs and the skins (kinda changing his tune for the "dictator" comments!):

Coles was asked if he was surprised that the Redskins agreed to trade him.

"No, I'm not surprised," Coles told New York reporters. "They are a very understanding organization and they are very down-to-earth people. They were very good to me in giving me an opportunity to come back to where I wanted to go.

"That shows the type of people they and what type of character Coach Gibbs has."


As usual, the heavy seems to be Danny-boy and his cursed meddling (no doubt Cerratto the monkey boy is close behind, if you know what I mean...)--I don't know: Gibbs says, if you want out, tell me and I'll move you. A guy says he wants out, and GIbbs moves him. Maybe that's a dumb football move, but it sure looked like Gibbs' move. And it's not that Danny isn't involved (as well as his toady); it's just that if Gibbs wants something, that's the way it's gonna be. He reiterated that it's a group decision process, but he has the final say. My guess is that he's a consensus bulder and that he tries to get everyone on the same page. But I don't believe for a minute that Gibbs wanted to keep Coles and Danny said no. Rather, they agreed to try and move Coles, and things got testy when the Jets trade became possible. Remember: Coles nixed it originally to squeez more money out of the Jets. That's probably when Danny had his flat-screen-TV hissy-fit: "We bend over backwards to get you a friggin trade and now you SCREW with it?!?!?!" I have some sympathy with that. But I still see Gibbs as driving the car here. (Maybe into a ditch; we'll see! Ain't life interesting?)
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