Bashing the Coles-Moss Deal

Paintrain · 03-09-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I'm sorry, but to say our cap situation (and thus our ability to re-sign players) has nothing to do with a $9 million cap hit is crazy.

Smoot said it in his reasons the Redskins couldn't match the $6 mil per guarantee for the first 3 yrs, 'It's a financial mess' because all of the previous years spending. What about the $9 mil cap hit impacted guaranteed money for the 1st 3 years? They may have been able to give a little more this year, but they had no plans to reach the contract numbers that Minn. gave him..

Defensewins · 03-09-2005, 12:05 PM

There are some angry people on both sides of this discussion.
DCopper04 - You can still be a reskins fan and not like the choices the redskins management have made. We do not have to have faith in the FO. He has made a few good moves and several bad moves in the past. I judge people by their track record and Snyder's is not very good.
I personally think this whole Coles trade was terrible. $9M cap is an extreme price to pay for one player who has never in his entire career been an attitdue problem, on the field or off (locker room).
I would have kept him. For those people that are so scared (ahhh!)that god forbid Coles will be a cancer in the locker room, you can tell him to stay home (sit out the year) and spend the $9M cap space we lost on a good WR, LB and CB.
To have one WR that is no longer on the team cost us $9M is a bone head move. Keep him and play him or suspend him and you are $9m richer.

Defensewins · 03-09-2005, 03:02 PM

$5m over two years is easier to swallow than $9M over one.
Also, I never said Snyder would not win it all, but I do questions some of his moves. I realize he is still learning to be an owner.
I just think Coles would have been fine staying on the roster. Ego's would have cooled by game one and things would have been ok. I seem to remember Ramsey getting upset about getting benched and asking for a trade, did we feel obligated to trade him then? I suspect the teams frustration over Coles not having toe surgery last year and his questioning of Gibbs offense weighed heavily into the decision to trade him. This is not the first time a redskin player has gotten upset and asked for a trade.

BigSKINBauer · 03-09-2005, 03:13 PM

we traded coles, pierce smoot, and another person of our choosing for moss. regardless of what our FO was thinking we would have had 9 million in the FA think about that! even if we didn't get smoot or pierce which i think we would have we would have gotten a lot of good talent. yes i don't think coles should have played w/ us but i think we should have forced him to give us the 9 mill back or some of it and make the Jets pay the rest. or if not sit him at home and as snyder said get him a big screen TV to watch the games because 9 million dollars is way way way to much just to throw down the drain

Tahoe Skin · 03-09-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

However, I will not ever be convinced that it was a better decision for us to trade Coles for the incredibly average Moss than it would have been to just take the 5 mil give back and release him.

Yes, and we probably could have gotten Moss (or someone his caliber) for way less than $5 mil a year.

Tahoe Skin · 03-09-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Other than Smoot, who we probably would have lost anyway regardless of the cap hit, who else would we be going after right now??

Smoot was the 2nd best CB we had, and Pierce can be replaced, but I for one like to have had the cap space to get a quality left guard that would shore up the holes allowed by Dockery, and an effective pass rushing defensive end, which we lacked last year!

Defensewins · 03-09-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tahoe Skin

Smoot was the 2nd best CB we had, and Pierce can be replaced, but I for one like to have had the cap space to get a quality left guard that would shore up the holes allowed by Dockery, and an effective pass rushing defensive end, which we lacked last year!

Amen! My point exactly.
This trade was bad for the redskins.

drew54 · 03-09-2005, 06:00 PM

I'm sick of all of these contracts being back loaded and having ungodly signing bonuses. I think they should be front loaded or full of incentives. Either figure the signing bonus into the first two or three years of the contract, then you have the player on the cheap in the last few years. Make most of the incentives unreachable, but a few reachable and plan for the player to achive them. This way if Joe Schmoe stinks up the joint, his cap hit will nothing because the contract has no signing bonus.

Basically the system is broken.

03-09-2005, 12:05 PM	#17
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Bashing the Coles-Moss Deal There are some angry people on both sides of this discussion. DCopper04 - You can still be a reskins fan and not like the choices the redskins management have made. We do not have to have faith in the FO. He has made a few good moves and several bad moves in the past. I judge people by their track record and Snyder's is not very good. I personally think this whole Coles trade was terrible. $9M cap is an extreme price to pay for one player who has never in his entire career been an attitdue problem, on the field or off (locker room). I would have kept him. For those people that are so scared (ahhh!)that god forbid Coles will be a cancer in the locker room, you can tell him to stay home (sit out the year) and spend the $9M cap space we lost on a good WR, LB and CB. To have one WR that is no longer on the team cost us $9M is a bone head move. Keep him and play him or suspend him and you are $9m richer.

03-09-2005, 03:02 PM	#18
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,753	Re: Bashing the Coles-Moss Deal $5m over two years is easier to swallow than $9M over one. Also, I never said Snyder would not win it all, but I do questions some of his moves. I realize he is still learning to be an owner. I just think Coles would have been fine staying on the roster. Ego's would have cooled by game one and things would have been ok. I seem to remember Ramsey getting upset about getting benched and asking for a trade, did we feel obligated to trade him then? I suspect the teams frustration over Coles not having toe surgery last year and his questioning of Gibbs offense weighed heavily into the decision to trade him. This is not the first time a redskin player has gotten upset and asked for a trade.

03-09-2005, 03:13 PM	#19
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: College Park; where they chop cars Age: 25 Posts: 5,635	Re: Bashing the Coles-Moss Deal we traded coles, pierce smoot, and another person of our choosing for moss. regardless of what our FO was thinking we would have had 9 million in the FA think about that! even if we didn't get smoot or pierce which i think we would have we would have gotten a lot of good talent. yes i don't think coles should have played w/ us but i think we should have forced him to give us the 9 mill back or some of it and make the Jets pay the rest. or if not sit him at home and as snyder said get him a big screen TV to watch the games because 9 million dollars is way way way to much just to throw down the drain

03-09-2005, 06:00 PM	#23
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 30 Posts: 1,282	Re: Bashing the Coles-Moss Deal I'm sick of all of these contracts being back loaded and having ungodly signing bonuses. I think they should be front loaded or full of incentives. Either figure the signing bonus into the first two or three years of the contract, then you have the player on the cheap in the last few years. Make most of the incentives unreachable, but a few reachable and plan for the player to achive them. This way if Joe Schmoe stinks up the joint, his cap hit will nothing because the contract has no signing bonus. Basically the system is broken.

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