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Old 03-11-2005, 08:13 PM   #31
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From the Washington Post article about Gibbs presser,
"Trading wide receiver Laveranues Coles to the New York Jets for wideout Santana Moss caused a salary-cap bind after a $9 million cap hit (with a net cap cost of roughly $6 million). Nonetheless, Gibbs indicated the Redskins wouldn't have gone above their budget to sign Pierce or Smoot even if the club had had more cap room."

They weren't going to spend the money regardless.. Lets stop blaming the trade for everything and move on..
I beg to differ.

Can someone please tell me when we last had $6.5 million (the amount of cap space we ate by trading Coles) in cap space before the regular season started? I don't think we've ever had that much room.

For starters, we could sign Burress to a one year deal (which he reportedly is seeking).

Second, we could use the cap space to restructure deals. Last season, the Vikings converted player salaries into roster bonuses. The idea being that if you do such deals, you incur a cap hit when you have the cap space in order to decrease your future cap figures.

Third, we could've used the $6.5 million to sign Smoot. For example, we could have given him a $6 million roster bonus for 2005. Our offer of a $10.5 million SB on a $30 million deal with a roster bonus of $6 million essentially would've given Smoot a $16 million signing bonus.

So, while there are plenty of good arguments for supporting the decision to trade Coles, let's not avoid reality and pretend we would've had $6.5 million in unused cap space. TRUST ME, with Snyder at the helm, it would've gone to good use.
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Old 03-11-2005, 10:58 PM   #32
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Re: Can we stop now please?

hey jamf it is not gibbs, snyder should back off and let joe run the team. snyder ought to dump cerrato and let gibbs bring his own gm in. snyder is a money maker and a great one. he is not a damn football coach.
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:03 PM   #33
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Re: Can we stop now please?

I really think that Gibbs and Snyder have fairly equal input. I don't think he is meddling as much because he trust Gibbs' judgement.
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Old 03-11-2005, 11:46 PM   #34
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I beg to differ.

Can someone please tell me when we last had $6.5 million (the amount of cap space we ate by trading Coles) in cap space before the regular season started? I don't think we've ever had that much room.

For starters, we could sign Burress to a one year deal (which he reportedly is seeking).

Second, we could use the cap space to restructure deals. Last season, the Vikings converted player salaries into roster bonuses. The idea being that if you do such deals, you incur a cap hit when you have the cap space in order to decrease your future cap figures.

Third, we could've used the $6.5 million to sign Smoot. For example, we could have given him a $6 million roster bonus for 2005. Our offer of a $10.5 million SB on a $30 million deal with a roster bonus of $6 million essentially would've given Smoot a $16 million signing bonus.

So, while there are plenty of good arguments for supporting the decision to trade Coles, let's not avoid reality and pretend we would've had $6.5 million in unused cap space. TRUST ME, with Snyder at the helm, it would've gone to good use.
We can linger in the hypotheticals all day.. I'm going with what Gibbs said. He said that with the cap room or without, he wasn't going above what they had determined to be fair market contracts. They made their offers, they weren't accepted, it's time to move on..

The trade was made, the cap hit was big.. Hopefully Moss comes in and is more like 2003 Moss than 2004 Moss.. I don't care if Coles has 1 or 100 catches next year for the Jets.. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't, it's time to move on..
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Yup... and I don't even think we play the Jets next year.
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Old 03-12-2005, 12:26 AM   #36
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Yeah it is getting sort of old. But, we just have you agree to disagree. You don't think the $6.5 million had any impact on our salary cap situation/ability to sign other guys. I do. We'll leave it at that.
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