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Old 06-27-2013, 04:31 PM   #241
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:07 PM   #242
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This was posted on Reddit. It's a detailed list of the evidence they have. (or that is known)

Full account of the evidence against Hernandez. : nfl
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I'm trying this again, because when I posted this as a comment in the official thread many people suggested I try posting it again. Hopefully the mods will leave it up. one thread per day on the subject doesn't seem like overkill to me.

All of this was from his arraignment yesterday.

The charges:
  • Murder
  • Carrying a firearm without a license
  • Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
  • Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

    The evidence:
  • Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
  • 5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
  • Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
  • Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
  • Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
  • Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
  • Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
  • Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
  • The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
  • A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
  • hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
  • Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
  • at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
  • 9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
  • 9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"
  • The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
  • Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
  • the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
  • the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
  • at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
  • Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
  • They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
  • during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
  • he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
  • At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
  • at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
  • at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
  • Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
  • between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
  • cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
  • Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
  • Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
  • autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
  • two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
  • at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
  • they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
  • all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
  • later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
  • one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
  • He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
  • At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
  • Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
  • Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
  • They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
  • The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
  • further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
  • Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
  • Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
  • the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Another Man seems to have been arrested in connection with this case. Carlos Ortiz

EDIT: Hernandez reportedly being looked into in a double homicide from last year No clue about the validity, it's an unnamed source on a fox news affiliate so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT2: Full video of the arraignment

EDIT 3: Boston Globe reports victim may have been killed because he knew details of the double shooting Hernandez is being looked into for.

Holy shit. That's a lot of forensic evidence.
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:30 PM   #243
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Cops impound SUV that may connect Hernandez to 2012 killings | ProFootballTalk

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I swear, Boston fans are the dumbest fans in the country

RT @CindyBoren: People chanting "inn-o-cent" as Aaron Hernandez is transported back to jail.
disappointing.
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Why any fans would stick up for this guy at this point is simply amazing. Your team dropped him like a bad habit, there's your sign.
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:18 PM   #246
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Josh Brent of Dallas Cowboys jailed after failing second drug test - ESPN Dallas

More idiots abound. This guy is the epitome of stupid. Go directly to jail, do not pass go.


Why he's on the Cowboys roster is still mind boggling.
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Why any fans would stick up for this guy at this point is simply amazing. Your team dropped him like a bad habit, there's your sign.
I hate to be that guy, but is it possible that those chanting in-o-cent are actually part of Hernadez's crew or friends since he plays so close to where he grew up? I would also say that those who were there were pretty misinformed at the time and may have changed their tune today based on the evidence known at this time.
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Thanks for the links NC that summed it up very nicely with the timeline.

There is circumstantial evidence, and I am sure the defense attorney's will argue as much. BUT that is well put together and leaves little doubt that he had significant involvement in this murder. Also I believe that at the very least consprired to murder this man.
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.........Sure this guy isn't a Cowboy?
Triple murder?
Creating quite a resume.......
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NBA analyst Bill Simmons made a good point, tough week for Boston. Bruins - Hernandez - Celtics trade
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How Aaron views the case:

Aaron Hernandez charged wit cappin' | ProFootballTalk

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Posted by Mike Florio on June 26, 2013, 2:44 PM EDT

New England Patriots tight end Hernandez is hustled outta tha Uptown Attleborough five-o station afta bein arrested Reuters

A stunning, surreal dizzle has taken yet another stunning, surreal turn.

Aaron Hernandez has been charged wit tha cappin' of Odin Lloyd.

It’s one of nuff mutha****in charges filed todizzle against Hernandez, arisin directly from tha June 17 discovery of Odin Lloyd’s body less than a mile from Hernandez’s home.

Lloyd, accordin ta tha prosecutor, gots popped multiple times.

Da prosecutor also explained dat there was no evidence of a robbery, n' dat Lloyd’s beeper flossed communications wit Hernandez up in tha minutes precedin his ****in lil' dirtnap. Lloyd’s sista holla'd at authoritizzles dat Lloyd left his home dat mornin at 2:30 a.m. up in a cold-ass lil hoopty believed ta belong ta Hernandez.

Da prosecutor holla'd all up in tha court dat roughly six ta eight minutez of footage was missin from Hernandez’s surveillizzle system afta tha murder. Da prosecutor likewise outlined a seriez of text lyrics indicatin a thugged-out desire by Hernandez ta hook up wit Lloyd, along wit instructions dat one or mo' others urgin dem ta return ta tha area, presumably fo' tha meetin wit Lloyd.

Text lyrics n' hood surveillizzle cameras, per tha prosecutor, indicate dat Hernandez picked up Lloyd at 2:30 a.m. ET n' drove back ta Uptown Attleboro. Da prosecutor fronts dat Hernandez then holla'd at Lloyd da thug was trippin like a mutha****a dat Lloyd had holla'd certain thangs ta others, makin it hard fo' Hernandez ta trust his mutha****in ass.

Likewise, tha prosecutor explained dat Lloyd busted text lyrics while up in tha hoopty wit Hernandez, makin others aware dat da thug was wit Hernandez.

Da prosecutor holla'd dat workers all up in tha industrial park heard gunshots, n' dat surveillizzle cameras allow prosecutors ta piece together dat tha hoopty Hernandez was rollin was all up in tha industrial park, n' within minutes thereafter at Hernandez’s home.

Da prosecutor holla'd dat Hernandez’s surveillizzle system shows a thug gettin outta tha hoopty wit a glock afta tha blasting, n' struttin all up in tha doggy den wit tha gun. Shortly afta that, tha surveillizzle system shuts down.

Perhaps most blinginly, tha prosecutor holla'd a shell casin was found up in tha hoopty rented by Hernandez. It matches tha shell casings found all up in tha scene of tha blasting, accordin ta tha prosecutor.

Da prosecutor called it a “execution,” n' his schmoooove ass characterized Hernandez as tha thug whoz ass orchestrated tha crime, had tha motizzle n' means ta bust a cap up in Lloyd, n' engaged up in efforts ta cover up tha crime, includin spittin some lyrics ta his wild lil' fiancée ta stop rappin' ta police.

Da prosecutor concluded his bangin remarks by askin dat Hernandez be put on lockdown without bail.

Hernandez’s lawyer, Mike Fee, then called tha case “weak” n' “circumstantial.” Dude broke off some disrespec dat Hernandez aint a gangbangin' flight risk, n' dat it would be impractical fo' his ass ta flee.
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Not sure where I saw it but a couple more tidbits on the AH/Lloyd case:
- Second suspect is detained in Conneticut awaiting extradition to Mass. Still seeking third.

- Prosecution has a sealed affidavit from someone. Initially thought to be one of the fellow passengers b/c prosecutor disclosed conversations that occurred in the alleged murder vehicle during the time they drove to and from Lloyd's house. Not sure if that is true as the additional suspects have just been apprehended or are still being sought out of state.
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Not sure where I saw it but a couple more tidbits on the AH/Lloyd case:
- Second suspect is detained in Conneticut awaiting extradition to Mass. Still seeking third.

- Prosecution has a sealed affidavit from someone. Initially thought to be one of the fellow passengers b/c prosecutor disclosed conversations that occurred in the alleged murder vehicle during the time they drove to and from Lloyd's house. Not sure if that is true as the additional suspects have just been apprehended or are still being sought out of state.
Second suspect is under a 1.5 million dollar bond. My guess this is the guy who's going to rat on AH.

Carlos Ortiz heading back to Massachusetts | ProFootballTalk


The third suspect they are looking for. Why the hell is a 23 year old kid hanging around a 41 year old gang banger?

Chrysler wanted in Hernandez investigation found - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston
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Former Patriots player Aaron Hernandez is probed in two more murders, law enforcement officials say - Metro - The Boston Globe


This is hard for me to understand on why this wasn't investigated. You have two individuals that was murdered shortly after a fight in the club, and you don't investigate or question Aaron Hernandez even though the cops said they heard he was there. What they know is there was a fight between the victims and a group of AH's friends, and they heard that AH was in fact in the club. Yet, he isn't brought in on questioning or they didn't follow any leads on the silver SUV that was owned by AH? What kind of shitty detective work is this?
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This may have been brought up already, but here's something I can't quite understand.

You get a call at 2:30 in the morning to go meet up in a car with someone who you already suspect could be involved in a double murder, with his boys....and you agree to go??
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