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Old 07-13-2013, 06:02 PM   #46
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I understand CB, we all have our own opinions, that's what makes the QB debate what it is. Someone mentioned peyton as the best? I think a losing playoff record really hurts him, that shows he isn't all that clutch if u look at stats and Wins and losses.
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Old 07-13-2013, 07:06 PM   #47
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Eli has led the league twice in INTS.

But I'm not a Eli hater I do think he's a top 10 QB in today's league
Top 5 , my 5 Brady ,Rogers ,Brees ,Roethlisberger , Eli , Peyton is 6 to me playoffs and super bowls are what it is about.


Again here is the question is it regular season or post season play that matters. As for INTs so what Bret Farve led the league 3 times in 93 , 05, 08 it's what happens when you work with young receiver's or a new O .
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You're contradicting yourself.
How so? It's not like I think Jaws doesn't understand the QB spot or doesn't know what to look for. It's just that Jaws isn't very critical of QBs like a Steve Young might be (or Boomer). He likes to put his biases in his lists and it shows. That's why I said those lists of his are nothing but bullshit.
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Top 5 , my 5 Brady ,Rogers ,Brees ,Roethlisberger , Eli , Peyton is 6 to me playoffs and super bowls are what it is about.


Again here is the question is it regular season or post season play that matters. As for INTs so what Bret Farve led the league 3 times in 93 , 05, 08 it's what happens when you work with young receiver's or a new O .
I know your a giants fan but can u really say u would take Eli over Peyton? I think Eli is pretty dang good but peyton is elite. He gets 12 wins a year.
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I know your a giants fan but can u really say u would take Eli over Peyton? I think Eli is pretty dang good but peyton is elite. He gets 12 wins a year.
IMO Peyton is beyond elite. He's the best ever. I know this is debatable.

It certainly is fair to argue that postseason success is a requirement for elite status, as Giantone has done.

But it also is fair to argue that you can't be considered elite if you are a turnover machine, as Favre was and Eli is sometimes. Okie, you have a good argument.
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Let's also look at it this way.. when was the last time we had a top 13 QB?
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Top 5 , my 5 Brady ,Rogers ,Brees ,Roethlisberger , Eli , Peyton is 6 to me playoffs and super bowls are what it is about.


Again here is the question is it regular season or post season play that matters. As for INTs so what Bret Farve led the league 3 times in 93 , 05, 08 it's what happens when you work with young receiver's or a new O .
And here is the problem with this discussion. To much of it is about the rest of the team, just the credit is given to the QB. If we are rating based on winning SB's, then Trent Dilfer rates higher than Dan Marino. Other than a few Ravens homers, who in their right mind would ever take Dilfer over Marino?

Rothlisberger won 2 SB's on the back of the best defense in the game at the time (look at his SB stats, they arent that good). Brady won two SB's with a good defense, hasnt won anything since the Pats defense became average at best. That doesnt mean Brady has declined, it means the team he plays on has.

A QB that can lead an offense to 40 points a game but his defense gives up 50 is going to get a lower rating in this whole thing than than a QB who can lead an offense to 17 points a game but has a defense that only gives up 10 a game.
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Let's also look at it this way.. when was the last time we had a top 13 QB?
Brad Johnson, 1999.

And LMAO at the suggestion Eli > Peyton.
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How so? It's not like I think Jaws doesn't understand the QB spot or doesn't know what to look for. It's just that Jaws isn't very critical of QBs like a Steve Young might be (or Boomer). He likes to put his biases in his lists and it shows. That's why I said those lists of his are nothing but bullshit.
Ok.
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Top 5 right now, IMO:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5. Joe Flacco

I could have gone a lot of different routes for that last spot. Matt Ryan, Eli, and Big Ben. I eliminated Ryan because he's only won 1 playoff game in his 5 years in the league, and he throws to a Hall of Fame TE, and two Pro Bowl WRs. Eli had a decent year last year. He's 2/2 in Super Bowls, but he also throws lots of picks. Big Ben is very good, but when he gets hurt (which is quiet often) his team doesn't do as well, but yet still good enough to win games. Its not like a Peyton Manning where that team crumbles. Also Big Ben may have 2 super bowl rings, but he was awful in his first super bowl, and in his 3rd super bowl appearance his turnovers were ultimately the difference from his team winning and losing. Flacco has always been a good QB, but last year he really did well and come playoff time he outperformed Brady for a 2nd year in a row. In the Super Bowl this year he played better than Brady, either Manning, Brees and very comparable than Rodgers did in their respective super bowl appearances.
U and I will always see different on this lol. Btw Joe is not a top 5 QB, he got hot in the playoffs but overall he's not better than Ben or Eli. Joe had the worst ever QBR last year against Houston and he also threw for like 25 yards in a playoff game a few yrs back.
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Brad Johnson, 1999.

And LMAO at the suggestion Eli > Peyton.
I agree with this. It's so laughably ridiculous to think Eli is even anywhere close to Peyton. But then, Giantone is biased...
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Brad was pretty good that yr.
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Brad was pretty good that yr.
60.9%, 4,005 yards, 24 TDs, 13 INTs, 90.0 rating. If only he would have kept that up the next year. Instead:

62.5%, 2,505 yards, 11 TDs, 15 INTs, 75.7 rating.
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60.9%, 4,005 yards, 24 TDs, 13 INTs, 90.0 rating. If only he would have kept that up the next year. Instead:

62.5%, 2,505 yards, 11 TDs, 15 INTs, 75.7 rating.
Yeah. I blame the debacle the next season partially on Snyder making the team into a "dream team" circus with all the high profile free agents he brought in. And Brad was hurt that year. But you're right it seemed like things really came together that one year 1999.
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Sorry Joe f is not top 5.
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