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Old 07-15-2013, 12:38 PM   #76
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Eli is also better than Dan Marino.

Ya think Dan would take one of Eli's super bowl wins , IMO hell yes....in a NY min!
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:47 PM   #77
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Ya think Dan would take one of Eli's super bowl wins , IMO hell yes....in a NY min!
Of course Marino wishes that he had a ring. But that doesn't mean that Eli is better than Marino and so is irrelevant to a discussion about who's better.
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The "winning" QB argument is bogus. 100%. There are 11 players on the field for a team on each offensive play. The QB is obviously the MOST important player of the 11 but he doesn't achieve success or failure alone. Since you can't ascribe 100% of the success/failure to the QB you can't treat overall success/failure as the sole component. Winning QBs don't have some magic power that other QBs don't have...they have a better team. They get no individual credit for that.
I don't think that anyone said that the overall success of a QB's team should be used as the sole component for ranking him. For example, we all know that Dan Marino was one of the greatest QB's ever even though he didn't play on dominant teams.

On the other hand, we also know that Tony Romo choked in big games when he had good players surrounding him. Shouldn't that affect his ranking?

Although winning or losing in big games is not an absolute when ranking QB's, I think that it should be used as a factor for ranking QB's who had their chances.
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A big big part of our offense was the threat of RG3 running the ball. I would say the weakness of the offense was when defenses knew we had to throw. The offense was ranked pretty low on 3rd downs. That's not all RG3 but some of it is. He has to improve there.

Also..did everyone around here just forget about Cam Newton? I think he's still a pretty damn good player and you could put him right in there with the guys we're talking about..RG3, Wilson, Kap...Can anyone name his wr's outside of 50 year old Steve Smith?
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Of course Marino wishes that he had a ring. But that doesn't mean that Eli is better than Marino and so is irrelevant to a discussion about who's better.
It wasn't me that brought it up.
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A big big part of our offense was the threat of RG3 running the ball. I would say the weakness of the offense was when defenses knew we had to throw. The offense was ranked pretty low on 3rd downs. That's not all RG3 but some of it is. He has to improve there.

Also..did everyone around here just forget about Cam Newton? I think he's still a pretty damn good player and you could put him right in there with the guys we're talking about..RG3, Wilson, Kap...Can anyone name his wr's outside of 50 year old Steve Smith?
Cam still has a ways to go when it comes to his leadership/maturity. Smith is still very good too.
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No I haven't forgot cam, I would still take him over many QBs including Kaep and Wilson, just wait and see who ends up better.
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List

Late For Work 7/18: Jaws Shocks By Ranking Joe Flacco Above Drew Brees




Flacco over Brees? See this is the shit I'm talking about why I feel Jaws "lists" are so full of shit.
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Late For Work 7/18: Jaws Shocks By Ranking Joe Flacco Above Drew Brees




Flacco over Brees? See this is the shit I'm talking about the why I feel Jaws "lists" are so full of shit.
Wow, Jaws just took a big hit in my eyes. Not really killing Flacco here but Brees is clearly the better QB in terms of production, accuracy, leadership, pretty much everything you want from a QB.. Even Flacco had to be thinking, 'really Jaws?'
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yeah this pretty much does it for this list... Flacco over Brees? CMON MAN
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yeah this pretty much does it for this list... Flacco over Brees? CMON MAN
Agreed. I think it's debatable who's better between eli and flacco, but including Drew Brees there's no comparison. Flaccos above average and deserves some big contract, but he's definitely not elite.
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List

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Late For Work 7/18: Jaws Shocks By Ranking Joe Flacco Above Drew Brees




Flacco over Brees? See this is the shit I'm talking about why I feel Jaws "lists" are so full of shit.
what a f*cking joke. done with jaws
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Re: ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List

Which current QBs do you guys think are elite? I realize what is "elite" and whom is entirely subjective.

My list is (in no particular order inside category):

ELITE: Peyton, Brady, Rodgers

ELITE IF THEY KEEP GOING: Newton, RGIII, Kaep, RW, Luck.

NOT QUITE ELITE: Big Ben, Brees, Rivers

NOT ELITE BUT VERY GOOD: Flacco, Eli, Ryan, Romo, Cutler, Stafford, Dalton

EVERYBODY ELSE
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Brees is elite, the guy puts up monster numbers.
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Elites are basically quarterbacks that will always put up big numbers and put your team in a position to win games, basically the 4 quarterbacks that are in every persons top 5:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rogers
Peyton manning
Drew Brees

The folks that rotate for the 5th spot (basically the qbs that you can argue for and against): Eli, Ryan, flacco and Big Ben.

Everyone else still has a lot to prove or has just one good season(rookies) and just need to show more consistency.
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