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Old 07-18-2013, 09:05 PM   #91
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Brees is elite, the guy puts up monster numbers.
He also plays in a QB friendly system. No question, Brees is a great QB. I wonder if Flacco was in Peyton's offense would he put up similar numbers. Flacco can certainly make all the throws, and can perhaps makes some that Brees can't.
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He also plays in a QB friendly system. No question, Brees is a great QB. I wonder if Flacco was in Peyton's offense would he put up similar numbers. Flacco can certainly make all the throws, and can perhaps makes some that Brees can't.
I'm taking MattyK's words to heart that Brees is elite. IMO he makes better and quicker reads than Flacco. I guess one reason I discount Brees is I consider him truly benefiting from being a "dome QB". I think Brees gets more of a pass on that than Peyton and others in that regard, SMH.
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I'm taking MattyK's words to heart that Brees is elite. IMO he makes better and quicker reads than Flacco. I guess one reason I discount Brees is I consider him truly benefiting from being a "dome QB". I think Brees gets more of a pass on that than Peyton and others in that regard, SMH.
I agree there...he seems to play faster than Flacco.
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Breesus elevates the play of his teammates in a way that Flacco does not. And I like Flacco.
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the numbers Brees has put up the last 2 season are incredible. Lead all QBs in yardage while breaking the all time season yardage mark and in touchdowns.

So tell me again how Flacco jumps Brees this year? Dude is gettin Sean Payton back with a massive chip on his shoulder. NFC South is gonna be fun to watch this year, I think the Saints rebound to win it.

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Drew Bree's almost threw double the amount of touchdowns flacco threw this past year... Without a coach. I don't think there is really a comparison between joe flacco who's never thrown over 30 touchdown passes and a guy who has thrown for over 5000 yards and 40 plus touchdowns in back to back seasons. Some of it is the system but most of it is drew Brees being an elite quarterback. Throwing for 40+ touchdowns in back to back years is remarkable regardless of system. It's just my opinion but drew Brees is a first ballot hall of famer, flacco at this point in his career wouldn't be close to getting in.
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Smoot, can you get somebody at ESPN to drug test Jaws....
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Which current QBs do you guys think are elite? I realize what is "elite" and whom is entirely subjective.

My list is (in no particular order inside category):

ELITE: Peyton, Brady, Rodgers

ELITE IF THEY KEEP GOING: Newton, RGIII, Kaep, RW, Luck.

NOT QUITE ELITE: Big Ben, Brees, Rivers

NOT ELITE BUT VERY GOOD: Flacco, Eli, Ryan, Romo, Cutler, Stafford, Dalton

EVERYBODY ELSE

LOL , good thing you don't work for the NFL.
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LOL , good thing you don't work for the NFL.
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When you have any substance to add to the conversation, feel free.
You want your "list" to be taken seriously and I understand opinions and such ,yet you say that 2 of the only 3 QB's playing in the NFL right now with more than one Super Bowl win are only good not "elite" .I realize you're a hater but really , the list is a joke. Rivers ahead of Eli is a joke in it's self but to have him with Brees and Big Ben it boarders on , well , drug testing.
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You want your "list" to be taken seriously and I understand opinions and such ,yet you say that 2 of the only 3 QB's playing in the NFL right now with more than one Super Bowl win are only good not "elite" .I realize you're a hater but really , the list is a joke. Rivers ahead of Eli is a joke in it's self but to have him with Brees and Big Ben it boarders on , well , drug testing.
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Top 5 , my 5 Brady ,Rogers ,Brees ,Roethlisberger , Eli , Peyton is 6 to me playoffs and super bowls are what it is about.
I guess by your criteria of playoffs and SBs, Dilfer = Peyton too, right? If not, explain and contradict yourself.

Rivers stats: LINK
116 starts, 2,268 of 3,564 (63.6) for 27,891 yards (7.8), 189 touchdowns and 93 interceptions. Career QBR 94.5.

E. Manning stats: LINK
135 starts, 2,612 of 4,457 (58.6) for 31,527 yards (7.1), 211 touchdowns and 144 interceptions. Career QBR 82.7.

Among other stats favoring Rivers, wow Eli has well over 50% MORE INTS than Philip.


The other career stats from the link above: Rivers has better completion %, better avg. gain, better yds/game, better TD %, better INT %, and better QBR.

And if you watch them play, there is really no comparison. Rivers makes quicker reads and has a better arm. He has to, Rivers has never had as good an OL as Eli has. The Gnats won two SB *despite* trading Rivers for Manning. Another reason they were lucky, not good. 'Course, I'm glad NY didn't get Rivers, they probably would have won at least one more SB with Philip.


TLDR: Philip >>> Eli. Indisputably. E.Manning isn't even in the same class as Rivers mano-a-mano. The only thing you can say in favor of Eli in this comparison is better "lucky" than good, he didn't earn more rings than Rivers himself.

Thanks for inspiring me to lay all this out, giantone! HTTR!
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This from the guy who thinks
I guess by your criteria of playoffs and SBs, Dilfer = Peyton too, right? If not, explain and contradict yourself.

Rivers stats: LINK
116 starts, 2,268 of 3,564 (63.6) for 27,891 yards (7.8), 189 touchdowns and 93 interceptions. Career QBR 94.5.

E. Manning stats: LINK
135 starts, 2,612 of 4,457 (58.6) for 31,527 yards (7.1), 211 touchdowns and 144 interceptions. Career QBR 82.7.

Among other stats favoring Rivers, wow Eli has well over 50% MORE INTS than Philip.


The other career stats from the link above: Rivers has better completion %, better avg. gain, better yds/game, better TD %, better INT %, and better QBR.

And if you watch them play, there is really no comparison. Rivers makes quicker reads and has a better arm. He has to, Rivers has never had as good an OL as Eli has. The Gnats won two SB *despite* trading Rivers for Manning. Another reason they were lucky, not good. 'Course, I'm glad NY didn't get Rivers, they probably would have won at least one more SB with Philip.


TLDR: Philip >>> Eli. Indisputably. E.Manning isn't even in the same class as Rivers mano-a-mano. The only thing you can say in favor of Eli in this comparison is better "lucky" than good, he didn't earn more rings than Rivers himself.

Thanks for inspiring me to lay all this out, giantone! HTTR!
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You want your "list" to be taken seriously and I understand opinions and such ,yet you say that 2 of the only 3 QB's playing in the NFL right now with more than one Super Bowl win are only good not "elite" .I realize you're a hater but really , the list is a joke. Rivers ahead of Eli is a joke in it's self but to have him with Brees and Big Ben it boarders on , well , drug testing.
Wha??? I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention Brees and Big Ben, but if you're contending that Eli is a better QB than either, you're nuts. Especially Brees -- there's just nobody but a Giants fan that wouldn't take him over Eli in a heartbeat.
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Lol, funny thing is, to me Eli is one of the least objectionable players on that dirty, flopping, OL-holding, crooked owner team. I don't hate him, it's just laughable that Gnat fans compare Eli favorably to Rivers, let alone Brees, Peyton, Brady....

I mean, way back when we won with Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien, I don't recall Skins fans claiming they were as good as Montana, Young, Elway, etc...
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Philip Rivers and Eli Manning to me are as close as you can get to each other talent wise. I believe that if Rivers had Eli's receivers and running backs, as well as defense, he would have done what Eli did. If Eli had the Chargers team around him that Rivers has had, he prolly would have performed closely to what Rivers did....(although, maybe with a couple more INT's than Rivers, but who's counting)

***(edit)***Actually, Id give the edge to Rivers after checking some stats. Eli's passer rating is 82, and philip rivers is almost 95 over their respective careers. Also, Eli is barely sniffing 58% completion percentage, and Rivers is over 64%. So in terms of overall talent, Id give it to Rivers. Eli has always had a better coach though, and a much better defense.

BTW - neither of them are elite. Eli throws WAY too many INTs to be considered elite, and Rivers hasn't led his team to anything other than a couple playoff berths and disappointment. Id take RG3 over both of them 50 million times a week and 51 million times on sunday.

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