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Old 07-29-2013, 08:32 PM   #181
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Fans would really have a problem with Griffin putting up 3600-3800 yards passing and 20-25 TDs a year?

Man, tough crowd.

A problem with it? Probably not, but it would mean he isn't elite. It would mean he was an average or slightly above average QB. Those stats would have been elite back in the 80's and 90's, but not so much now. (edit: answered this without thinking about our system. If our RBs continue the type of success they had last year, I would be ecstatic with 20-25 TDs from RGIII)

Question. Do you think Flacco is better than Carson Palmer?

You'd be amazed to see that they have a identical career QB rating.
CP- 86.2 (1.54 TDs per game)
JF- 86.3 (1.28 TDs per game)

When we start saying "all the guy does is win", I think you overlook the main fact that the team surrounding that person has a lot to do with their success.

Also, Flacco threw matched half (11) of his TD total(22), for the regular season, in 4 games. So why is he he put up those kind of numbers in that four game span, but only managed 22 TDs for 16 games? Inconsistency. Bottom line. Flacco is not great. Flacco is not bad. Flacco is above average.

Two years ago, I had to defend Flacco from haters, now I'm having to do the opposite from people propping him up way too high.



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When does "luck" not play a role for any team in the post season?
I think you can also make a case every team that wins a Super Bowl needs luck on their side.

Luck most definitely plays a part in winning a Super Bowl. The way the ball bounces or reflects from fumbles/tips, injuries, blown calls are some of the "luck" elements involved in winning it all. More than anything, it takes skill, hard work, and good coaching to win the game. That's not to say the best team always wins the big game, it's just they are the best team within that short time span.
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When it comes to scouting players to draft when you talk about character, your not just talking about does he go out drinking all night, get into trouble, arrested or get high...your talking about discipline, drive and focus. No excuse for Geno Smith or Lacy.

What if RG3 had the drive of Jamarcus Russell? He wouldnt be playing this year...
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Luckily for the Jets, Geno Smith isn't as bad as Lacy, but apparently he's not very fit either.

Baldinger: Geno Smith's conditioning is 'embarrassing' - NFL.com
The next Donovan McNabb?
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A problem with it? Probably not, but it would mean he isn't elite. It would mean he was an average or slightly above average QB. Those stats would have been elite back in the 80's and 90's, but not so much now.

Question. Do you think Flacco is better than Carson Palmer?

You'd be amazed to see that they have a identical career QB rating.
CP- 86.2 (1.54 TDs per game)
JF- 86.3 (1.28 TDs per game)

When we start saying "all the guy does is win", I think you overlook the main fact that the team surrounding that person has a lot to do with their success.

Also, Flacco threw matched half (11) of his TD total(22), for the regular season, in 4 games. So why is he he put up those kind of numbers in that four game span, but only managed 22 TDs for 16 games? Inconsistency. Bottom line. Flacco is not great. Flacco is not bad. Flacco is above average.

Two years ago, I had to defend Flacco from haters, now I'm having to do the opposite from people propping him up way too high.
Well I guess some of you will never consider RG3 to be elite, because its hard to see him putting up insane passing numbers as long as he's playing in a Shanahan offense that places such a high premium on the running game. I actually think 3800 yards and 25 TDs is probably his ceiling in this system.

Stats are overrated. Putting up big numbers in pass happy offenses don't make you elite. Matt Stafford or Tony Romo anyone?
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Well I guess some of you will never consider RG3 to be elite, because its hard to see him putting up insane passing numbers as long as he's playing in a Shanahan offense that places such a high premium on the running game. I actually think 3800 yards and 25 TDs is probably his ceiling in this system.

Stats are overrated. Putting up big numbers in pass happy offenses don't make you elite. Matt Stafford or Tony Romo anyone?

I agree with this. I didn't really think about our system when I answered the question, but you are correct.

I'll make a change to my answer. If our RBs continue the type of success they have, I would be ecstatic with 20-25 TDs from RGIII.
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Lacey's the victim of a bad camera angle
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Well I guess some of you will never consider RG3 to be elite, because its hard to see him putting up insane passing numbers as long as he's playing in a Shanahan offense that places such a high premium on the running game. I actually think 3800 yards and 25 TDs is probably his ceiling in this system.

Stats are overrated. Putting up big numbers in pass happy offenses don't make you elite. Matt Stafford or Tony Romo anyone?
Given the system, wouldnt his stats in the ground game also be included? He did put up 800 yards and 7 TD's running to go with the 3200 passing yards and 20 passing TD's. Putting both rushing and passing together, he had 4000+ yards and 27 TD's as a rookie, which is already above your ceiling. I realize passing is the main metric to rate QB's, but RG3 isnt a regular QB in that aspect.
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When it comes to scouting players to draft when you talk about character, your not just talking about does he go out drinking all night, get into trouble, arrested or get high...your talking about discipline, drive and focus. No excuse for Geno Smith or Lacy.

What if RG3 had the drive of Jamarcus Russell? He wouldnt be playing this year...
If he didn't have the drive that he did I doubt we would have mortgaged the farm on him honestly. Shanny is better talent evaluator then Al Davis was towards the end of his life.

Looking at those two pictures I can't believe a professional RB could get that out of shape in 2 months. He said he ate a lot of fast food, what he failed to mention is that he did not move for 8 weeks from his couch while indulging in fast food.

It's almost like he made that movie that Morgan Spurlock made a few years ago "Super Size Me".

As far as Geno goes he actually had a pretty good report as far as playing QB, he just didnt run "gassers" well at the end of the day.
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Lacey's the victim of a bad camera angle
I'm not so sure.
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Bill Barnwell breaks down the worst contracts in the NFL - Grantland


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Contract Flaw: Paying for the Outlier

Even the 49ers make mistakes. They signed Carlos Rogers away from the Redskins on a bargain-basement one-year deal for $4.25 million, and Rogers promptly picked off six passes and made the Pro Bowl. When he hit free agency, the 49ers had to pay up to get him back, and after an uneven 2012, they're already regretting the four-year, $29.3 million deal they gave him last offseason. Rogers was rumored to be on the cutting block when the 49ers tried to acquire Eric Wright last week, and if they do add a veteran cornerback before camp, his name will continue to fly in such rumors.
To all those people chirping about Carlos. 49ers are hating that contract now. Especially since he's returned to his old Carlos form.
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Bill Barnwell breaks down the worst contracts in the NFL - Grantland




To all those people chirping about Carlos. 49ers are hating that contract now. Especially since he's returned to his old Carlos form.
but but but but...it was just his contacts not his work ethic. This makes no sense.
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To all those people chirping about Carlos. 49ers are hating that contract now. Especially since he's returned to his old Carlos form.
I thought Carlos was still really good last year. I thought the recent CB signings of Nnamdi and their attempt at Eric Wright were because of Culliver their NB. In the few games I saw of Carlos last year, he looked good to me and worthy of that contract.
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DUDE HAS BEEN A BEAST HIS ENTIRE CAREER.
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