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Old 10-31-2013, 01:56 PM   #226
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I have heard that is the game plan. it will be a domino effect. The funny thing to me is how Oneida could find Seminoles offensive if they aren't from Seminole heritage, I think that has interesting legal implications.
EXACTLY! That's why I roll my eyes every time I hear someone say "change the nickname but keep the logo." Do you all really think they would accept that?!?!
The people who are against it don't just find the name "Redskins" offensive, they find any use of Native American imagery or stereotyping (ie the Indian's logo or the tomahawk chop) offensive. As BaltimoreSkins said, they find the term Redskins to be the most offensive of the bunch so they are going after that first and then hoping it cause a domino effect and everything else will change.
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I was basing my post off two things: the recent, unscientific poll that showed that 90% of Native Americans aren't offended, and Native Americans that have come out and said they didn't find the name offensive.
I tend to agree with your statement in your prior post. Nobody is asking Native Americans how they feel.
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I really wish that the group that is advocating for the Redskins to change their name would go after the whole concept of using Native Americans as team mascots/names. While I do feel we are headed in the direction of a name change, I think it is ridiculous that you got all this pressure on the Redskins, while you still have the Braves, Indians (with their caricatured mascot), the Chiefs, the Blackhawks, the Seminoles, etc,. etc.
Well I agree 100% about the indians. Ive referenced that a few times. The rest of those nicknames are not really politically incorrect. I think Redskins would be the equivilant of say the ...California Palefaces.
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I tend to agree with your statement in your prior post. Nobody is asking Native Americans how they feel.
Woody: American Indians in Va. have no problem with “Redskins” - Richmond Times-Dispatch: Football

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I do not think the logo is what this group finds offensive. I know the colors have nothing to do with it either. Imagine as a white person or a black person or an asian person....a team with a face from your origin....George Washington looking dude or MLK as the emblem - no problem. The nickname however is the "honkeys" or the "n&@ers"? - problem. Obviously those slang references are alot more volatile because of modern day society and racism for the most part has drawn away from the native americans and what happened to them hundreds of years ago. This particular group and handfuls of others consider redskins a slang term. Again - what if it was the palefaces or yellowskins or darkskins? I guess the real crux of the matter is how do you feel about those names? If they offend you as a white, black, or asian person than How do you justify Redskins?
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EXACTLY! That's why I roll my eyes every time I hear someone say "change the nickname but keep the logo." Do you all really think they would accept that?!?!
The people who are against it don't just find the name "Redskins" offensive, they find any use of Native American imagery or stereotyping (ie the Indian's logo or the tomahawk chop) offensive. As BaltimoreSkins said, they find the term Redskins to be the most offensive of the bunch so they are going after that first and then hoping it cause a domino effect and everything else will change.
So they find the framed picture of medicine crow in my living room offensive? I disagree entirely. I think the name "Redskins" has everything to do with this. I would understand your point if we were talking about nazi germany. How any reference or imagery of nazi-ism could be seen as offensive, but this is completely different. There is absolutely nobody up in arms about the use of native american imagery? Hell you can go to any reservation or any part of the country with a native american presence and buy native american art, imagery, head dresses, statues, etc etc etc. from native americans.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:11 PM   #232
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Really the name change you can change it no matter what. Despite the controversy, it will still remain Redskins. That is if you can come up with a creative name!
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I really wish that the group that is advocating for the Redskins to change their name would go after the whole concept of using Native Americans as team mascots/names. While I do feel we are headed in the direction of a name change, I think it is ridiculous that you got all this pressure on the Redskins, while you still have the Braves, Indians (with their caricatured mascot), the Chiefs, the Blackhawks, the Seminoles, etc,. etc.
I just find it interesting that the richest Native American tribe in the country is on this warpath (pun intended) to rid the country of "racial epitaphs" in the name of everything good and moral, but see no wrong in making their millions off of people's gambling addictions. They should definitely do the right thing and close all of their casinos.
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I just find it interesting that the richest Native American tribe in the country is on this warpath (pun intended) to rid the country of "racial epitaphs" in the name of everything good and moral, but see no wrong in making their millions off of people's gambling addictions. They should definitely do the right thing and close all of their casinos.
So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?
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So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?
but im offended by gambling
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I do not think the logo is what this group finds offensive. I know the colors have nothing to do with it either. Imagine as a white person or a black person or an asian person....a team with a face from your origin....George Washington looking dude or MLK as the emblem - no problem. The nickname however is the "honkeys" or the "n&@ers"? - problem. Obviously those slang references are alot more volatile because of modern day society and racism for the most part has drawn away from the native americans and what happened to them hundreds of years ago. This particular group and handfuls of others consider redskins a slang term. Again - what if it was the palefaces or yellowskins or darkskins? I guess the real crux of the matter is how do you feel about those names? If they offend you as a white, black, or asian person than How do you justify Redskins?
Perhaps your example names are different and not as "offensive" as the name Redskins, but if there were a team with the name "Palefaces" or "Yellowskins", I wouldn't give a rat's a**. It wouldn't offend me in the least.
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So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?
Are you assuming I'm not offended also by white Americans owning casinos? If so, that's a pretty racist and ridiculous thing to say.

I'm saying I think it's a contradiction to championing this Redskins thing - which is questionable at best all the while continuing to make fortunes from those with gambling addictions.
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Perhaps your example names are different and not as "offensive" as the name Redskins, but if there were a team with the name "Palefaces" or "Yellowskins", I wouldn't give a rat's a**. It wouldn't offend me in the least.
Im just putting it out there - not saying im offended either. An asian person might be offended by a team called the yellowskins with a picture of an asian person on the helmet was my point. As for palefaces, well i just wanted to say palefaces.
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Are you assuming I'm not offended also by white Americans owning casinos? If so, that's a pretty racist and ridiculous thing to say.

I'm saying I think it's a contradiction to championing this Redskins thing - which is questionable at best all the while continuing to make fortunes from those with gambling addictions.
Not assuming that at all but you did clearly state that "they" should shutdown "their" casinos. If you are making the point that there are greater problems in the world well than me and you are on the exact same page. Did not mean to insinuate anything.
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Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

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