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Old 11-01-2013, 10:23 AM   #256
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You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.
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You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.
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You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.
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Why arent Peter King, Bob Costas, and other rich white offended elitist focused on more pressing issues within the Indian community like poverty, alcholism, and education? This country is a trip where hypocrisy rules.
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But this is purely anecdotal. As I said before we can find just as many articles with the opposite POV. The last study that came out said 90% weren't offended but that was a decade ago. A lot changes in a decade.
Your talking about the heart of Redskins country where actual indians have more Redskins media exposure, fans, indian symbolism, etc. and your saying this doesnt matter? This is where the most offended should be.
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I never said it doesn't matter. I am saying it is an article with one person's POV. I agree that this is the population that is most directly impacted by the Redskins label, but the article doesn't prove anything one way or another.
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I never said it doesn't matter. I am saying it is an article with one person's POV. I agree that this is the population that is most directly impacted by the Redskins label, but the article doesn't prove anything one way or another.
It gives actual prespective from indians stating the term redskins is not offensive and never has been.

If you want to talk prove or proof ask the Oneida indians
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You know I've been thinking about this a little bit different lately. Not all businesses cater to everyone. Didn't the CEO of Abercrombe offend all the over weight people with some statements he said or ads he has been running? Weither you agree with him or not, they are offended and won't be shopping at his stores. So what? Since when does a business operating in a free capitalistic market have to "not offend" everyone? I guess since we all got too PC.

There are lots of things or business that offend me. If I am offended I won't shop there or go there, but that doesn't mean I think they should change so I won't be offended. The world is bigger than me and not everything is all about me. I think some people should learn that.
Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"
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Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"
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Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"
Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.

If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.
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There are several different theories and accounts about where the term came from. Nowhere is it definitively stated that the new foundland tribe who painted their bodies red is the true origin. Not to mention, that settlers referring to native americans as "redskins", and this tribe referred to as the "red men" are two completely different things.
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Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.

If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.
Im of Irish heritage who wants to start the campaign to rid Notre Dame of the Fighting Irish mascot and name? It holds a negative connotation. Im offended.

Nice post scowan.
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Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.

If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.
To be fair, Native Americans are not exactly like other minority groups. Other minority groups did not suffer having strangers show up, take their land away, and then enact government policies designed specifically to kill their cultures. The Native American experience is different from that of other minorities.
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This was posted before but it's worth posting again

Redskins name change not as easy as it sounds - ESPN

Pretty much sums up my views on the subject.
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To be fair, Native Americans are not exactly like other minority groups. Other minority groups did not suffer having strangers show up, take their land away, and then enact government policies designed specifically to kill their cultures. The Native American experience is different from that of other minorities.
I don't support the name change but, to add on what you're saying, an estimated 50 million to 100 million Native Americans were wiped out by the European colonization. Thanks, smallpox!

But I'd say that's a... pretty good reason to be butthurt.
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