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View Poll Results: Who should be the starting safeties (select 2)
DeJon Gomes 3 3.09%
Brandon Meriweather 85 87.63%
Jordan Pugh 2 2.06%
Reed Doughty 14 14.43%
Baccari Rambo 76 78.35%
Tanard Jackson 12 12.37%
Not on team yet 2 2.06%
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:35 AM   #76
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Tackling. It's football basics! You can't have a player that you know that can't do it.
Madieu Williams and Doughty tackled last year. So teams passed over the top of them. Tackling 101 didnt seem to make much difference. This isnt early 1900's football where every play was a run. You have no choice but to defend the pass in this era.
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Tackling. It's football basics! You can't have a player that you know that can't do it.
Has he had alot of missed tackles so far in game action? Ive really seen his weakness has been the bad angles. Tackling I havent seen him miss one off the top of my head. But you realize across the league tackling has been pretty poor in games because they usually dont hit and tackle in training camp.

Im not freakin out, like I said before Im sure there is a plan
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Madieu Williams and Doughty tackled last year. So teams passed over the top of them. Tackling 101 didnt seem to make much difference. This isnt early 1900's football where every play was a run. You have no choice but to defend the pass in this era.
You do get that throwing over the top of the safeties without the need for tackling is not real. Don't you?
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You do get that throwing over the top of the safeties without the need for tackling is not real. Don't you?
Ask Victor Cruz and the Giants from the first game last year. Or the Bengals. Or most other teams we played. When receivers are running away from you after beating you deep, whats it matter if they play the run well or tackle well. M. Williams actually tackled when he got there, he just rarely got there to actually use that ability.

The two plays you keep referencing about Rambo were runs where he had to come up from center field and got juked. We havent seen him being burned like our safeties were last year. If he can cover and break up passes in the passing game, then he is doing a better job as a free safety than we had last year.

Like I have already said, if Gomes is better then he should play. But since free safety has pass responsibilities, it appears the coaches believe Rambo to be the better free safety.
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Has he had alot of missed tackles so far in game action? Ive really seen his weakness has been the bad angles. Tackling I havent seen him miss one off the top of my head. But you realize across the league tackling has been pretty poor in games because they usually dont hit and tackle in training camp.

Im not freakin out, like I said before Im sure there is a plan
Missed tackles- it happens. It's the way Rambo has missed them 2 games in a row. Against Vick or McCoy, this will be just as bad.
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Missed tackles- it happens. It's the way Rambo has missed them 2 games in a row. Against Vick or McCoy, this will be just as bad.
What safety do we have that will consistently come from 20 yards away and make every tackle against Vick or McCoy?
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What safety do we have that will consistently come from 20 yards away and make every tackle against Vick or McCoy?
Let me get this right. It's okay with you that Rambo has this issue with tackling in space. It's okay to ignore if he's still having this problem and he starts in the eagles game.

Talking about everyone and everything else except his issue is just plain denial. He NEEDS to fix this problem. I wouldn't let a safety in youth rec football play with that problem. The risk of him giving up a big play or touchdown in the situation outweighs everything else that he possibly can contribute - and since he's a rookie, we don't know what he can provide consistently. And it's assumed that he will make other mistakes, which I might be okay with other than this. It's too big to just ignore.
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Madieu Williams and Doughty tackled last year. So teams passed over the top of them. Tackling 101 didnt seem to make much difference. This isnt early 1900's football where every play was a run. You have no choice but to defend the pass in this era.
...and we won the NFC East title for the first time in forever and made the playoffs. Rule #1 in good sound defense, control the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The rest is important as well, but if you do not stop the run you will not make the playoffs and you are playing for next year. We had one of the worst pass defenses last seson and still made the playoffs.
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Let me get this right. It's okay with you that Rambo has this issue with tackling in space. It's okay to ignore if he's still having this problem and he starts in the eagles game.

Talking about everyone and everything else except his issue is just plain denial. He NEEDS to fix this problem. I wouldn't let a safety in youth rec football play with that problem. The risk of him giving up a big play or touchdown in the situation outweighs everything else that he possibly can contribute - and since he's a rookie, we don't know what he can provide consistently.
I have already said that if Gomes is better, that he should play over Rambo. I have also said that he clearly needs to work on his angles. But who is better on the team to play the position of free safety? The fact is, NFL coaches agree with me that playing the pass is important for a free safety. Otherwise we would just put a LB as a free safety if playing the run was the only thing they are responsible for.

What you dont seem to understand is that Gomes is not the second coming of Troy Polamalu. Nor is any of the other players that we have at free safety. If Rambo, for all of his deficiencies, is the best free safety on the team, then he should be the one playing.
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...and we won the NFC East title for the first time in forever and made the playoffs. Rule #1 in good sound defense, control the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The rest is important as well, but if you do not stop the run you will not make the playoffs and you are playing for next year. We had one of the worst pass defenses last seson and still made the playoffs.
Because RG3 and Alfred Morris had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was all Doughty and Madieu Williams, without those 2 at safety, we win 3 games...

We won the NFC East due to our offense, not our horribly ranked defense. We won in spite of being one of the worst defenses in the league.
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...and we won the NFC East title for the first time in forever and made the playoffs. Rule #1 in good sound defense, control the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The rest is important as well, but if you do not stop the run you will not make the playoffs and you are playing for next year. We had one of the worst pass defenses last seson and still made the playoffs.
Im still old school and agree with this. +1
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I have already said that if Gomes is better, that he should play over Rambo. I have also said that he clearly needs to work on his angles. But who is better on the team to play the position of free safety? The fact is, NFL coaches agree with me that playing the pass is important for a free safety. Otherwise we would just put a LB as a free safety if playing the run was the only thing they are responsible for.

What you dont seem to understand is that Gomes is not the second coming of Troy Polamalu. Nor is any of the other players that we have at free safety. If Rambo, for all of his deficiencies, is the best free safety on the team, then he should be the one playing.
Where in the hell did anyone, anywhere, come close to saying that Gomes is the second coming of Polamalu? You're the only one that even put them in the same sentence in the history of Gomes and Polamalu playing football. You are obviously delusional and in denial by even implying that I said something like that to bolster your argument.
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Because RG3 and Alfred Morris had absolutely nothing to do with that. It was all Doughty and Madieu Williams, without those 2 at safety, we win 3 games...

We won the NFC East due to our offense, not our horribly ranked defense. We won in spite of being one of the worst defenses in the league.
Take a look at the teams that make the playoffs and the ones that don't. The teams that can stop the run and can run the ball on offense (Ravens, 49ers, Seattle, Redskins,etc) make more times than not. You can listen to the fantasy football geeks and people that sell the game all you want that say the "NFL is a passing league". But high passing teams (Brady, Manning and Rogers) were watching the Superbowl while the balanced teams that ran the ball 49ers and Ravens played in it.
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Take a look at the teams that make the playoffs and the ones that don't. The teams that can stop the run and can run the ball on offense (Ravens, 49ers, Seattle, Redskins,etc) make more times than not. You can listen to the fantasy football geeks and people that sell the game all you want. But high passing teams were watching the Superbowl while the balanced teams that ran the ball 49ers and Ravens played in it.
The fact is we were average at stopping the run. Look at yards per carry, and we were middle of the pack. Its just that teams constantly passed on us and hardly ran. We had the fewest rushes against in the league. But if you honestly think that the reason the Ravens and 49ers stopped the run so well had nothing to do with any other players except the free safety, you are sadly mistaken. The Ravens and 49ers both had solid D lines and LB's.

Never once did I say that stopping the run was a bad thing. What I have said consistently is that the free safety is not the number one run stopper.
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Where in the hell did anyone, anywhere, come close to saying that Gomes is the second coming of Polamalu? You're the only one that even put them in the same sentence in the history of Gomes and Polamalu playing football. You are obviously delusional and in denial by even implying that I said something like that to bolster your argument.
I will ask this again for the third time. Who is better at free safety on this team? If they are better than Rambo, then by all means they should play over him.

Im pretty sure that if you ask any D Coord. in the league, they will not tell you that the main responsibility of the free safety is to stop the run.
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