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Old 03-15-2005, 11:45 AM   #31
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In 2001, Brown missed 11 games with a knee and ankle ailments. In 2002, he missed five games with a knee injury that required surgery. In 2003, Brown missed three games after tearing his right biceps. This past season, Brown suffered a serious foot injury in Week 2 against Dallas and had season-ending surgery. Brown reportedly had screws removed from his foot recently.

...uhh no thanks
Well, he was on a downward trend in games missed going into last season. Maybe last season was a fluke
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Old 03-15-2005, 11:52 AM   #32
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None of his injuries are degenerative. Looks like a bit of unluckiness coupled with a somewhat less than rugged frame. The luck has to turn at some point and if rotated enough his shelf life probably increases proportionally.

Matty just for the record in the other thread I also mentioned that he would probably want any long term deal to have more money. That is one reason I mentioned the idea of voidable years. The best of both worlds really. Keeps the contract short and mitigates injury risk. Let's be honest, he's not going to get a long term big money deal. At best he'd get a deal like the one I proposed and if he is even mildly healthy the deal is worth it for us. I look at a 1 year deal and see only bad things. If we're confident enough to give him a deal why wouldn't we try and lock him up a little longer? The one year deal just screams one and done. With his talent I'd say we'd get the short end of the stick most of the time there. A nice little 4 year(actually two year with the voidables) gives him a chance to show he can stay healthy more than one season and gives us some time to extend him if he does. I am certainly not advocating we sign him to a four year deal that end up costing us 8 mil for 9 games in four seasons.
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Old 03-15-2005, 12:01 PM   #33
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Re: Courtney Brown

I know we took a gamble on guys like Walt Harris who was recovering from potentially carreer ending surgery, but doesn't coach preach about how he likes tough, durable guys? Maybe Brown is just unlucky so I guess our organization would be an appropriate fit.
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Old 03-15-2005, 12:03 PM   #34
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With a player with an extensive history of injuries like Brown, what's wrong with the thought of one and done? Why take on any additional risk if you don't have to?

That's just my opinion, guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Old 03-15-2005, 12:06 PM   #35
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if we get brown to a reasonable contract, with incentives to earn him more pay, that would, IMO, eliminate us from getting a DE, james or merriman, with our first pick. id have to think we would get a CB or WR after that. signing Courtney brown fills one more hole for us at this moment, even tho he may get hurt as the season goes on. i think this is a good pick up if it happens. one less hole to fill in the draft, reuniting him with lavar, and putting him wiht our defensive coaching staff. as long as it isnt a big deal that eats up the rest of our cap space, this would be a good move to me
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Old 03-15-2005, 12:30 PM   #36
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I agree; with those who think its a good idea to take a roll with him. Injuries are his biggest problem; not nessicarly his play. So he's not a "bust" in terms his overall play (although hes not worth the #1 pick either); but its alot of his injuris that hampered him. He would be a upgrade to our defense and Williams has always been one to get the most out of people. If we signed him I dont think it would be a bad idea at all. However, we have to keep it smart. Lots of incentives; basically just everything everyones saying.
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Old 03-15-2005, 12:34 PM   #37
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Like I said in a post last week. I think this would be a really good pick up. We could then use are 1st round pick on a WR or CB.
I think Courtny Brown has some really great football left in him. He can't get hurt ever year. Can he?
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Old 03-15-2005, 01:41 PM   #38
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Sorry guys, but I just don't see what is gained by a one year deal? It's been said before and I agree that the only time you sign players to one year deals is when you are making a run for the ring. I'm as optomistic as they come, but I really don't see this year being THE year. IMO you sign him to a 2-3 year contract with small bonuses and little guaranteed money. If he's a bust, you cut him after a year or two without the salary cap hit. If he's a stud, you keep him and consider renegotiating a longer-term deal that is even more cap-friendly after a year or two.
Let's not forget here, yes he's been injured early and often in his career, but let's not confuse him with some 35 year old, washed up D-lineman who only has a year or two left in the tank. The guy is the same age as Arrington and Samuels. Because he's coming off of injuries, we've got a chance to get him on the cheap. If he can stay healthy, playing under Williams' system, he could be great; which makes this a golden opportunity to make a real steal.
Again, the potential upside, IMO, is much greater than the risk of a couple million $ over the next few years. However, if you don't lock him into a multi-year contract, you lose almost all of that upside. Your best case scenario would be that he turns out to be a stud during a year when you aren't a legitimate contender for the championship and then you either can't resign him because he's on the open market or you have to pay through the nose to keep him. Just doesn't make sense to me. If you are going to sign him at all, it's got to be for more than one year. Otherwise, why bother? Just my opinion.
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Old 03-15-2005, 01:47 PM   #39
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He could be this seasons Shawn Springs. He will be reunited with Lavar in a system that is known for bringing the best out of players. If Lavar and he can be half of what they were at penn state together it will be worth every penny. Tell me how often 2 players from the same defense in college are taken in with the first 2 picks in the draft. Thats unreal, and the combination of him, lavar, and Taylor I would hate to play offense agianst that group :smashfrea
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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]Tell me how often 2 players from the same defense in college are taken in with the first 2 picks in the draft. Thats unreal, and the combination of him, lavar, and Taylor I would hate to play offense agianst that group


Absolutely agree. Picture it: you're an O-lineman lined up opposite Courtney Brown and out of the corner of your eye you see Lavar inching up to the line to blitz. What do you do? (besides say a prayer for your QB)
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Old 03-15-2005, 01:58 PM   #41
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The only time you sign a player to a one year deal is when you're making a SB run??

We weren't in danger of making a SB run when we signed Gardener, so there are obviously other times when a one year deal is appropriate.
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Old 03-15-2005, 02:08 PM   #42
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he is younger than Gardner, and i don't think he'll agree to a 1 year contract. If we sign him it will be for a while possibly similar to wynn's contract
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Old 03-15-2005, 02:57 PM   #43
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Doesn’t it sound odd that this is his "preferred" destination but he won't take less to come here? Wouldn’t that make whoever offers the most money the "preferred" destination? What the hell is the point of having a "preferred" destination when your decision will be based on solely on money? Sounds ridiculous to me.

hmmmmmm sounds like what i said about smoooooooooot dog
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He could have big returns too. So we pay him a low one-year deal and he turns out to be a bust. We cut him and move on. He may be one of the more prolific players still out there that is affordable. Healthy, he has the ability to be a great playmaker.
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Redskins | The Favorite to Land Brown? - from www.KFFL.com
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0800

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could be the favorite to sign free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), who was recently released by the Cleveland Browns. According to sources, Brown believes Washington offers an ideal situation since he would reunite with LB LaVar Arrington, who he played with at Penn State. In addition, Brown likes the idea of playing for Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach for defense, and Greg Blache, the defensive line coach known for helping players reach their potential.

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Personally I like the idea of signing Brown, preferably to a deal contingent on playing time - with his recent health issues I feel that we could have them put down as unlikely to be earnt bonuses.
He had the talent to be the #1 overall selection, and we were seriously considering him at either #2 or #3 in that draft if Arrington was picked first - if we were to get him it would mean we would have the first 3 players from that draft on our roster!
I think part of his injury problems COULD BE (1) bad luck and (2) possible poor coaching/technique at Cleveland combined with poor strength/conditioning training?
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