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Old 09-10-2013, 08:12 PM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #256
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I figured we wouldn't run the RO much this season. Griffin is a good enough passer to not have to use it and also I'm sure they want to limit his runs
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:15 PM   #257
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I think we're stepping into the assumption room just a bit.
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RGIII doesn't want the read option offense. He wants a conventional offense more like we saw last night.
Do we know this or are we inferring things from all the drama following his injury?

I mean, why would a competitor like him gimp himself? It doesn't ration out with what he know of him and his drive thus far.

I can understand him refusing the designed runs, of which there were very few towards then end of last season, but not the read option. I think he's still tentative (and why shouldn't he be?) and that is why there was no read option used last night. He has to trust himself for them to use it. I got the sense (and going strictly off my eye test here, because I can recall nothing that I've read, seen or heard that he "doesn't want the read option") that he didn't start to trust himself physically until towards the end of the game and after he had taken some hits and shook them off ... and I think it's going to take him some time before he has that confidence in his athleticism again.

I find all of it understandable.

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Old 09-10-2013, 08:25 PM   #259
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i came to a conclusion. last few games of last year griffin was 100% there mentally but not physically with his knee and now it is just the opposite. he's healthy just gotta trust his knee and back in his groove throwing. I say/hope in a few games he's back in form never know though but that's my take.
Aye. This is the sense I got from him last night while watching the game. He is there physically but the mental rehab is going to take some more time. I think the fact that he took some pretty hard shots, protected himself and got back up went a ways towards that mental healing. I sensed a lot more confidence there towards the last ten minutes than he had all game long.
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I tried to call in depressed to work today. Supervisor didn't buy it. She had no sympathy.

I'm in San Diego, so I got to stay up to watch the Chargers lose a game that was even worse than the Skins. It was not a great day of football.

I think everyone already covered all the different reasons we lost (there were a lot!).

We just got served a big ole piece of humble pie. That can be a good thing. @GB is gonna be tough however. Gotta be up and to the bar at 10:00 a.m. Good thing its Tilted Kilt, makes the motivation pretty easy.
Robert's been quiet on Twitter since the morning of the game. No pimping shoes or gear, no excuses for the performance last night, nothing at all.

I see that as a good sign, m'self.

I think the humble pie (which I agree with many here we - and he -needed) woke him up to a lot of things. He's back in the lab. His competitive nature and his ego (which I have no problem with, it's what makes him a superstar) won't let him go out like that again.

We're going to be ok.
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Robert's been quiet on Twitter since the morning of the game. No pimping shoes or gear, no excuses for the performance last night, nothing at all.

I see that as a good sign, m'self.

I think the humble pie (which I agree with many here we - and he -needed) woke him up to a lot of things. He's back in the lab. His competitive nature and his ego (which I have no problem with, it's what makes him a superstar) won't let him go out like that again.

We're going to be ok.
If you saw the post-game press conference, RG3 didn't make excuses. He said it's not rust, he just messed it up plain and simple and that that was atypical of him. Where a lot of guys could've said, "yeah I'm a little rusty" etc. He didn't, and in a roundabout kind of way, said don't look for those mistakes to happen again.

Dude takes responsibility for starting out sucking. I can dig accountability.
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If you saw the post-game press conference, RG3 didn't make excuses. He said it's not rust, he just messed it up plain and simple and that that was atypical of him. Where a lot of guys could've said, "yeah I'm a little rusty" etc. He didn't, and in a roundabout kind of way, said don't look for those mistakes to happen again.

Dude takes responsibility for starting out sucking. I can dig accountability.
Oh yeah, I saw the presser, and I'm with you. Owning that disaster the way he did is part of why I love 'im and why 'Skins Nation is RG3 for life now, do or die.
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He said it's not rust, he just messed it up plain and simple and that that was atypical of him.
Him and quite a few others.

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I figured we wouldn't run the RO much this season. Griffin is a good enough passer to not have to use it and also I'm sure they want to limit his runs
So he'd rather be blindsided in the pocket vs. seeing everything clearly in front of him while running the ball? Personally, I thought he looked safest last season when he was running out in open space. All he had to do was use the rules to his advantage and get down or run out of bounds. Pretty simple.

If he gets hurt this year, it's going to happen on a bad hit in the pocket. This notion that the pocket's safer is BS. Look how the Eagles blitzed with no threat of the read option. The Skins hardly got blitzed at all last year.
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I figured we wouldn't run the RO much this season. Griffin is a good enough passer to not have to use it and also I'm sure they want to limit his runs
I think that remains to be seen.....whether he can run a conventional offense and do it consistently well. We don't know that yet.

I want to see him come out next week and do what Colin K. has done to the Green Bay defense the two times he's played them.
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So he'd rather be blindsided in the pocket vs. seeing everything clearly in front of him while running the ball? Personally, I thought he looked safest last season when he was running out in open space. All he had to do was use the rules to his advantage and get down or run out of bounds. Pretty simple.

If he gets hurt this year, it's going to happen on a bad hit in the pocket. This notion that the pocket's safer is BS. Look how the Eagles blitzed with no threat of the read option. The Skins hardly got blitzed at all last year.
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24 hours after the game, My thoughts after the pain has passed:

RG3 looked like crap...yes he got better during the 2nd half, but it was against a team with a massive lead. I don't recall a moment the entire last year he looked so bad as a rookie. He obviously is uncomfortable...he wasn't stepping into his passes either, indicating a lack of confidence in his knee or his offensive line.

The Skins' offensive line is bad in traditional blocking, either run or pass. This is a light zone blocking scheme line. Only 1 lineman would be wanted on most teams...as you recall...almost everyone said how crappy our Oline was for years before RG3 was drafted, now all of a sudden, only Polumbus is a problem....well...an incredibly gifted running QB makes a weak oline into a strength....and last night we all saw what RG3 without his running skills does to the team. It is a Major impact. Developing RG3 into a pocket passer may not really be possible until we upgrade our line.

The team as a whole was not prepared for the game..that is on Shanny.
The Skins must have believed they could just "play" and win.
Critical penalties, fumbles, interceptions, safeties...all just in the first quarter.
Then there were bad passes, dropped passes, no pass rush, horrible safety play. Based on all these "facts"...the Skins should have lost 45-7...but they didn't...Somehow they kept it respectable...so that is a positive.

I personally don't believe RG3 is going to instantly be in probowl form in 6 days. It may be a while...we just need to protect him. We need to get really good at running screens and shotgun draws or something, or bring back Mike Sellers to crush someone..or maybe run some reverses to get over-aggressive defenses to back off. Until RG3 can burn someone deep or get his hurdling mojo back, they will load the box..wouldn't you?

Disappointed..I just don't see the Skins as a playoff caliber team based on their schedule and competition. I'd rank them around 15 right now. They barely made it last year, and that is because they dominated the division. Losing to Philly makes that a real problem. It will be far easier to win the East than to get a wildcard between Seattle, Saints, Minnesota, Chicago, Dallas or Giants (perhaps philly). Now we have to sweep at least Dallas or the Gmen to realistically win the east...that is very hard in year 2 of a new scheme with a slower QB.

Bottom line, it was one game...but it was a very bad game. Good thing there are 16 of them...I just want to get to the bye at 2-2 and get our guys back + Merriweather and dare I say it?...Tanard Jackson...damn, I would consider starting Reed at SS moving forward...Rambo is going to get torched by GB.
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While I'm at it...and I know it is one game but....Orakpo is still underperforming. Kerrigan is far better in my mind. Maybe he too was tenative with his injury issue...but Cofield at a non impact position had more impact with a BROKEN HAND than Orakpo did. If he doesn't start getting to the passer, he is going to end up on another team....Heck...lets get that rookie guy in there occasionally if he can't do it. At least Rak can draw a holding penalty, but the result is a torn pec for every 10 of those.
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I think that remains to be seen.....whether he can run a conventional offense and do it consistently well. We don't know that yet.

I want to see him come out next week and do what Colin K. has done to the Green Bay defense the two times he's played them.

This is the biggest question to be answered this season.
If RG3 can run a conventional offense, he will have a long career. If not, we will have a very short term window for a Super Bowl run

Ironically, this injury could be the best thing that ever happened to him, IF it forces him to go through his progressions and deliver accurate passes from the pocket....we shall see what the long term future of the Skins will be in yr 2 of RG3. I think the guy is really good..but we haven't seen RG3 without his speed win games yet.
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Who cares if players were out drinking the night before a 7PM game?! Of they got home at 2am, they could get 10 hours of sleep and be feeling great by noon - 7 hours before kickoff.
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