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Old 09-11-2013, 01:00 AM   #271
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This is the biggest question to be answered this season.
If RG3 can run a conventional offense, he will have a long career. If not, we will have a very short term window for a Super Bowl run

Ironically, this injury could be the best thing that ever happened to him, IF it forces him to go through his progressions and deliver accurate passes from the pocket....we shall see what the long term future of the Skins will be in yr 2 of RG3. I think the guy is really good..but we haven't seen RG3 without his speed win games yet.
That's not true.. RG3 can run the East Coast offense and have a long career if he protects himself.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:38 AM   #272
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This is the biggest question to be answered this season.
If RG3 can run a conventional offense, he will have a long career. If not, we will have a very short term window for a Super Bowl run

Ironically, this injury could be the best thing that ever happened to him, IF it forces him to go through his progressions and deliver accurate passes from the pocket....we shall see what the long term future of the Skins will be in yr 2 of RG3. I think the guy is really good..but we haven't seen RG3 without his speed win games yet.
This is an excellent post. Whether RG can be successful in a more traditional offense isn't all on him tho. Oline personnel and scheme are bigger concerns to me than RG's skill, work ethic etc etc.
Three years in it doesn't look like Mike can put together a line to pass protect against today's defenses. The issue was just masked last season.
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This is an excellent post. Whether RG can be successful in a more traditional offense isn't all on him tho. Oline personnel and scheme are bigger concerns to me than RG's skill, work ethic etc etc.
Three years in it doesn't look like Mike can put together a line to pass protect against today's defenses. The issue was just masked last season.
I wonder what our record would have been in the last two meaningful games the Skins have played (SEA/PHI) if Cousins had started.

I also wonder when you factor in injuries if Cousins is not the better long term option at QB over RGIII. Just food for thought.
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To ask RGIII to be a traditional QB would be like asking Payton to be a running QB. You can find a balance but he will never be "pocket" QB.
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Aaron Rodgers isn't just a pocket passer neither is Romo, Kaepernick , Wilson..
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Seriously? He beasted last season. Why would you want to change something that works? That's taking a hatchet to where you need a screwdriver.

Is it for safety purposes or does he want to be more of a pocket passer, only run when necessary type?
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Do we know this or are we inferring things from all the drama following his injury?

To answer you all, this is based off the information from HTTR24/7(LL56). He's the guy that knows all the inside stuff and has said that was the situation. Didn't like the training wheels on him, and didn't really want to run the read option. This was right around the bye week when our team was doing a nose dive. (before any knee injury)
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RG3 was a great pocket passer at Baylor, in fact arguably the best pocket passer in college football that year. He didn't just run read options at Baylor all day. It was a spread offense with a heavy emphasis on the passing game, specifically from the pocket.

He can pass from the pocket, he as shown both in the NFL and in college he can. NO NFL QB can pass from the pocket when their OLINE is not blocking consistently. He was never comfortable stepping up to pass against the Eagles. Even Manning and Brady struggle when that happens. It has been one game. Let us not act like RG3 all of a sudden became a QB that can only run the read option. He can do anything a quarterback would be asked to do.
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So he'd rather be blindsided in the pocket vs. seeing everything clearly in front of him while running the ball? Personally, I thought he looked safest last season when he was running out in open space. All he had to do was use the rules to his advantage and get down or run out of bounds. Pretty simple.

If he gets hurt this year, it's going to happen on a bad hit in the pocket. This notion that the pocket's safer is BS. Look how the Eagles blitzed with no threat of the read option. The Skins hardly got blitzed at all last year.
I think you are reading too much into it. I don't think Robert is going to stop scrambling and making plays, nor will they stop running Robert all together via designed draws.
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I wonder what our record would have been in the last two meaningful games the Skins have played (SEA/PHI) if Cousins had started.

I also wonder when you factor in injuries if Cousins is not the better long term option at QB over RGIII. Just food for thought.
Probably both losses. Especially Seattle. The Skins couldn't run the ball or stop the run against both teams so I would imagine Cousins wouldn't have done very well either.
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I think you are reading too much into it. I don't think Robert is going to stop scrambling and making plays, nor will they stop running Robert all together via designed draws. I think he just wanted to move away from the RO as a base offense.
That's really interesting to me, and encouraging about RG. He's a smart guy.
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I wonder what our record would have been in the last two meaningful games the Skins have played (SEA/PHI) if Cousins had started.

I also wonder when you factor in injuries if Cousins is not the better long term option at QB over RGIII. Just food for thought.
Food for thought? NOT!
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Do you have a crystal ball?
Do you? A while ago, Drew Brees was consider a health risk given his shoulder injuries (which is why Miami didn't take him). Now, I haven't heard anything about him being a health risk, other than his age.
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If Kyle isn't going to call more read option on the assumption that Griffin isn't the threat he was last year, I would like to see A LOT more bootlegs, which he called for Cousins against Cleveland last year. This O-line is poor at pocket protection without the threat of read option, so Kyle may as well create time and space for Griffin in other ways.
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Here is something very interesting I found. While the Eagles fans are all euphoric over Monday Night's win, I was curious to see what the similarities were between Steve Spurrier's first regular season game with the Redskins and Chip Kelly's first game with the Eagles. Here are the stats:

Spurrier's first game: 73 plays, 442 yards of total offense and 31 points.
Chip Kelly's first game: 77 plays,443 yards of total offense and 33 points.

Almost identical numbers in plays, yardage and points. Of course the Eagles win seems more impressive since they scored most of their points in a half, and it was against the division champs. The Redskins' win was against the Cardinals. Still, not a whole lot of difference between the two, though. Both were/are supposed to be offensive geniuses. Other similarities I found is that Spurrier's offense seemed to expose the quarterback to a lot of hits. Kelly's seems to also have that issue - especially once the offense tires and the "foot if lifted off the gas". Any quarterback with less elusiveness is going to get killed - at least from my observation.

That's why any talk (I know it's not here but you know everybody else in football land will be talking) of the Eagles' being a scary team that's going to transform the NFL is way pre-mature. I still have my doubts - especially since it fizzled out in the second half. Most certainly, I could be wrong, but Philly is going to have prove that to me throughout the season.
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