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Old 03-18-2005, 08:22 PM   #31
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Welcome to the board Pocono, nice first post!
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Old 03-18-2005, 09:46 PM   #32
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Nice first post, Pocono.

The relative safety of loading up salaries in the final year is that only a few owners could do it. The majority of the league will scream for a cap shortly thereafter.
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Old 03-18-2005, 10:38 PM   #33
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Hello all....The CBA has some rules for the final league year which is uncapped. In a different section of the CBA it tells about severe restrictions on the final 8 meaning the teams which lasted the longest in the playoffs the previous year. They can only sign FA's if they lose FA's. Here is the CBA section for the final capped year.
Ofcourse there are rules. Look at all of Snyders contracts and the lengths. Most of them set us up for our supposed Cap hell in 2007, which then will erase the mess. They have backloaded every contract to end about 2007. They would be able to quickly rebuild based on the so called replace a FA with a FA rule based on the fact they would lose a mass of players to FA and would only be required to sign a replacement for at least that particular players 1st year salary. So they will have a quicker way to get out of the cap hell which usually takes teams 5 years to escape from.
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Old 03-19-2005, 08:05 AM   #34
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Thanks TAFKAS and BrudLee. CRT3...I don't think you can make an argument that Snyder is preparing for an uncapped year in 07 when it seems he's gambling everything that there is a CBA extension before 3/1/06. I'm not sure what Cap Hell is but if there is no CBA extension before 3/1/06 it will be very difficult to get the Skins under the cap for the 06 cap year.
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Old 03-19-2005, 05:18 PM   #35
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Thanks TAFKAS and BrudLee. CRT3...I don't think you can make an argument that Snyder is preparing for an uncapped year in 07 when it seems he's gambling everything that there is a CBA extension before 3/1/06. I'm not sure what Cap Hell is but if there is no CBA extension before 3/1/06 it will be very difficult to get the Skins under the cap for the 06 cap year.
Read the article in the 1st post of the thread. Experts agree that they would be far from completting a new CBA based on the union wants more of the revenue pie from the owners.

Cap Hell is like what happened to Tennesee this year and Jacksonville 2 years ago. You have to purge all of your star players in order to get under the cap number for that year. And/Or you have such much dead cap money that you can not go out and sign players. I am not talking about one or 2 star players but more like 6 and above. The Redskins are actually fine for 2006, check the numbers. The trade of Coles and the cap hit this year on him leaves us with a great position for next year. With the other players such as Trotter we take a 16 mil hit on dead cap which will not be there next year. Right now we have 32 mil towards bonuses for 2006. We will have to drop one or 2 players next year. But where we would normally have to drop a mass amount of players would be in 2007. Expect in 2007 that the Redskins front load contracts with smaller bonuses and this will enable us to use the uncapped year to our advantage. I am not a lawyer or an accountant but I did go to high scool with Danny, does that count?
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:36 PM   #36
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Sure I want the Skins on top every year. No salary cap and there would not be a better team than the Skins. But the NFL is not one team and the salary cap gives the fans a great level of competition through out the league.
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Old 03-19-2005, 11:01 PM   #37
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Plus 3 mil, carry the 7, subtract 5 mil. ...... F@#! it, I give up. I am glad that someone keeps up with the business side of things, because I sure as hell cant. To be honest I don't care to either. As long as the sport does not go away, and the skins are always in washington I will be happy.
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Old 03-20-2005, 10:43 AM   #38
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Read the article in the 1st post of the thread. Experts agree that they would be far from completting a new CBA based on the union wants more of the revenue pie from the owners.

Cap Hell is like what happened to Tennesee this year and Jacksonville 2 years ago. You have to purge all of your star players in order to get under the cap number for that year. And/Or you have such much dead cap money that you can not go out and sign players. I am not talking about one or 2 star players but more like 6 and above. The Redskins are actually fine for 2006, check the numbers. The trade of Coles and the cap hit this year on him leaves us with a great position for next year. With the other players such as Trotter we take a 16 mil hit on dead cap which will not be there next year. Right now we have 32 mil towards bonuses for 2006. We will have to drop one or 2 players next year. But where we would normally have to drop a mass amount of players would be in 2007. Expect in 2007 that the Redskins front load contracts with smaller bonuses and this will enable us to use the uncapped year to our advantage. I am not a lawyer or an accountant but I did go to high scool with Danny, does that count?
Wow...I could stay in a Holiday Inn Express for a month and that wouldn't come close to going to the same High School[probably called Danny Snyder High School now] as Danny. They wanted both parties to extend the agreement early so the last capped year is tough on both the players and the teams. The % shared with the players drops 1% in 06 so what was a 5M increase in 05 would only be 3.5M in 06. Also if there's no extension by 3/1/06 they won't be able to prorate about 20M of roster bonuses in 06 and all guaranteed money in contracts after 06 will count in 06. I think the cap chart here is missing 1.5M of extra hits in 06 from restructures done with Harris Ramsey and Noble and about 5-6M of guaranteed money due to be paid after 06 which would count against the 06 cap if there is no extension.

I think the 06 total is closer to 110M than 102M and when they extend Moss and sign their draft it will be around 115M for 06. There are also incentives/escalators in contracts for Ramsey Harris Brunell and Taylor that could easily add another 5M before the start of the 06 cap year. If Ramsey stays healthy he will earn a large escalator and also earn a nice incentive for Brunell because the O will do better than last year because Brunell isn't on the field. I think it's in both parties best interest to extend before 3/1/06 but if they don't it could get real interesting for some teams in 06.
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Old 03-20-2005, 11:10 AM   #39
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I donít want to be a nay-sayer here but 2007 is still 2 years away. Do you guys really think that after watching the NHL debacle and maybe contraction in baseball that the NFL and the players will allow this to happen?

I mean at some point both sides will realize, were going to all be millionaires regardless if its 50 million or 45 million over the length of the contract.

Isn't one of the biggest fears that owners whose team makes more money like our own Dan Snyder plus the two Texas owners, donít want to share his revenue with low earners like the Colts? SO if there is a strike, it could be Danís fault. Hopefully we just win a Superbowl next year and calm down Danís ego.
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Old 03-20-2005, 12:29 PM   #40
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The NFL is so much stronger than Baseball and Hockey - unlike those sports, they have revenues.
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I donít want to be a nay-sayer here but 2007 is still 2 years away. Do you guys really think that after watching the NHL debacle and maybe contraction in baseball that the NFL and the players will allow this to happen?

I mean at some point both sides will realize, were going to all be millionaires regardless if its 50 million or 45 million over the length of the contract.

Isn't one of the biggest fears that owners whose team makes more money like our own Dan Snyder plus the two Texas owners, donít want to share his revenue with low earners like the Colts? SO if there is a strike, it could be Danís fault. Hopefully we just win a Superbowl next year and calm down Danís ego.
Actually unlike the NHL, the NFL has a incredible Brodcast deal. And all NFL teams are making serious money unlike baseball. Some teams could do better if they just realized the extended revenue stream like Danny.

Will be interesting to see what happens.
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Old 03-20-2005, 01:48 PM   #42
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Wow...I could stay in a Holiday Inn Express for a month and that wouldn't come close to going to the same High School[probably called Danny Snyder High School now] as Danny.
Not to sure what that means, please elaborate.
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They wanted both parties to extend the agreement early so the last capped year is tough on both the players and the teams. The % shared with the players drops 1% in 06 so what was a 5M increase in 05 would only be 3.5M in 06. Also if there's no extension by 3/1/06 they won't be able to prorate about 20M of roster bonuses in 06 and all guaranteed money in contracts after 06 will count in 06. I think the cap chart here is missing 1.5M of extra hits in 06 from restructures done with Harris Ramsey and Noble and about 5-6M of guaranteed money due to be paid after 06 which would count against the 06 cap if there is no extension.
The last capped year which is 06 will not be tough on the owners by any stretch. I don't believe you are correct on the 20 mil roster bonuses but I could be wrong. Will have to look into that one. As far as the escalator on bonus such as the potential for Brunnel to earn, that is based on the offense improving and this bonus does not count against the cap. Canuck can help us out with that one but we have already discussed this very issue and it is pretty agreed that does not count against our cap.
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Old 03-20-2005, 07:10 PM   #44
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CRT3...Ignore the first part it was just a bad joke.

If there is no CBA extension by 3/1/06 new signing bonuses will only be allowed to be prorated over 4 years and the first year salary will have to be large because the CBA only allows increases in salary from year to year that are 30% of the 06 salary not including signing bonus. Teams that routinely do restructures to pass cap hit futher back into the contract won't be allowed to do that because that will be shifting the hit from the final capped year into uncapped years which is specifically what they are trying to prevent.

Their are likely to be earned[LTBE] incentives which are basically incentives that were met or would have been met the preceding season and they count against the cap right away and there are unlikely to be earned[ULTBE] incentives that weren't reached the past year and they don't count right away but do count if they are earned. At the end of the season the league balances a team's ULTBE incentives that were met with the LTBE incentives that aren't met and either debits or credits the team's cap the following year with an adjusted cap total. Since Brunell's incentives are based on improved O ranking they are ULTBE but with him sitting on the bench they will be acheived and come do in 06 along with a nice escalator for Ramsey. It would be interesting if Crazy Canuck could see just how many escalators and incentives could come due. If Brown signs a contract loaded with incentives that could worsen the situation.
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Old 03-21-2005, 03:12 PM   #45
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Since Brunell's incentives are based on improved O ranking they are ULTBE but with him sitting on the bench they will be acheived and come do in 06 along with a nice escalator for Ramsey.
I think Brunell's incentives are ULTBE but are designed in a way that he will likely make at least one of them, so his 2006 cap number will likely go up.

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It would be interesting if Crazy Canuck could see just how many escalators and incentives could come due. If Brown signs a contract loaded with incentives that could worsen the situation.
I wish I could but finding this information is very hard if not impossible. If anyone has a good place to find info like this let me know.
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