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Old 09-17-2013, 12:41 PM   #46
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.

Good post I agree with all of this , the Q will be if/when RG3 can be the same player again
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
Excellent post. Thank you.
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
Great post man. I have my doubts whether he's 100%.
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Good post I agree with all of this , the Q will be if/when RG3 can be the same player again
I have no doubt that he will be. The only question I have is will it be soon? I have a feeling that next year the kid is all the way back and is damn impressive. With that said there is no way I would start anyone other than III while he his getting up to speed. All of this Cousins talk is ridiculous.
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
Good Post.. Basically everything I said in a more summarized version on the first page. I'm glad we agree.
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He watched the game backwards.
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
Good post, Daseal.
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I think it means he has more time on his hands than i do to watch game tape, or that he is watching game tape in his underwear with a rooster named Bo - because that is definitely not something that happens everyday.
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How does dumping the pistol help? You have actually seen a lot more teams incorporate it, because it gives qbs a split second more time to read the defenses.
As for the RO I think all the RO teams wanted to get a feel for how the refs were going to call it and how defenses were going to adjust.

No matter what this week the offense needs to come out on track.
Hi Rule. Yes, the RO is spreading and doing wonders- for everyone other than us. I come from the understanding that this a passing era and the QB is evermore important these days. Defense is now overrated b/c as long as you can pass and score with ease, then any game can be won. What's troubled me to plead we stop with the RO is b/c of how Shanny wants to use rob in it. He has managed to take the most competent and able QB to run RO and subject him to unnecessary injury. Lesser talented QB's Wilson, Kapernick were drafted later and cost less, yet sound mgt and coaching has avoided their injuries and have taken them further in the postseason. Kyle had his shot, he blew it and while rob is present and playing, his injury is really costing him the 2013 season. I was for rob to not start the year. He needs to rest. Kyle was supposed to retool the offense to his strengths. Wasn't that done last year, sort of? Where is the offense for a < healthy QB who is his former self? The offense is disgusting right now.

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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
I too agree with all this also,theres no way Rg3 is 100%.He's about 60% of what he was last yr if that.
His total qbr rating pretty much says it all,he's only ahead of Brandon Weeden and Blaine Gabbert
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I think physically he's probably not 100% but I think he's close, I think the mental part is what's holding him back at this point and is going to take some more time before he's 100% comfortable.
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IMcheapO RGIII is near 100% physically. But mentally he is playing scared and you can't do that in the NFL.
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Unless your one of the coaches and have inside information I call BS.

Myth #1- "IF" RG3 is 100% then tell him to take the damn brace off and get back to what he did best last year. The brace is keeping him from moving freely and is slowing him down, so can he take it off? Most likely not cause although the leg is strong enough to push off and run it still needs lateral support so he doesn't blow out his knee again. Because of that I have said he is not 100%. It's one thing to have the rib padding to protect him in case someone hits him, it's another to wear a knee brace because you HAVE to have the support.

Myth 2- RG3 has struggled. Why? because last year defenses could not stack the box and had to spread out to cover the field in case he ran. This year defenses are playing a game of Chess. They are betting we won't move our Queen out of the pocket so they stack the box with rusher and force RG3 to beat them passing. Secondly our OL is designed to move and block (zone blocking), and instead we have been asking them to simply form a pocket and protect their QB. It's not what they did last year. Which is why I suggested rolling RG3 out more and getting him out of the pocket so he will have throwing lanes and less pressure.

Myth 3- I'm not sure if you are correct or not but I certainly don't think MS/KS went 20-40 plays before calling the option. It seemed more like it was about every 3rd or 4th play they used the option. Lets say I'm wrong and they didn't use it as often as I thought they did, they certainly didn't wait until the end of the 3rd quarter to start using it in last years games.

Myth 4- You conceded as a possibility.

The rest I'll concede is a possibility. However, if I'm a HC I'm of the mind set that the Skins are not going to run RG3 unless they prove me wrong. I'm banking he's not 100%, he's still wearing the brace which tells me more then likely he's not going to want to or be willing to run for the 1st down... again until he proves me wrong. So I stack the DL and stop the only ground option you most likely would use (Morris) and force you into being one dimensional (passing). The Eagles decided to rush the whole game and figured if they couldn't get to RG3 then they would blow up the run plays. It worked for them. GB saw what the Eagles did and copied it. Until this team adjusts for what is happening each team will continue to do the same thing.

Which is why I suggested design some roll outs, play action to roll outs, fake the option to roll outs. Then and only then will other teams back off and cover more of the field opening up run lanes for Morris.

They also need to get RG3 on page with his TE's and WR's. Add more quick slant routes, and curl routes which is hard for the defender to stop. Add in some routes where the WR has to run 20 yrds then come back 5 or 10 to catch the ball. Then the other plays will start opening up. The double moves will start working.
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