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Old 09-17-2013, 02:17 PM   #61
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I think physically he's probably not 100% but I think he's close, I think the mental part is what's holding him back at this point and is going to take some more time before he's 100% comfortable.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:01 PM   #62
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IMcheapO RGIII is near 100% physically. But mentally he is playing scared and you can't do that in the NFL.
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Unless your one of the coaches and have inside information I call BS.

Myth #1- "IF" RG3 is 100% then tell him to take the damn brace off and get back to what he did best last year. The brace is keeping him from moving freely and is slowing him down, so can he take it off? Most likely not cause although the leg is strong enough to push off and run it still needs lateral support so he doesn't blow out his knee again. Because of that I have said he is not 100%. It's one thing to have the rib padding to protect him in case someone hits him, it's another to wear a knee brace because you HAVE to have the support.

Myth 2- RG3 has struggled. Why? because last year defenses could not stack the box and had to spread out to cover the field in case he ran. This year defenses are playing a game of Chess. They are betting we won't move our Queen out of the pocket so they stack the box with rusher and force RG3 to beat them passing. Secondly our OL is designed to move and block (zone blocking), and instead we have been asking them to simply form a pocket and protect their QB. It's not what they did last year. Which is why I suggested rolling RG3 out more and getting him out of the pocket so he will have throwing lanes and less pressure.

Myth 3- I'm not sure if you are correct or not but I certainly don't think MS/KS went 20-40 plays before calling the option. It seemed more like it was about every 3rd or 4th play they used the option. Lets say I'm wrong and they didn't use it as often as I thought they did, they certainly didn't wait until the end of the 3rd quarter to start using it in last years games.

Myth 4- You conceded as a possibility.

The rest I'll concede is a possibility. However, if I'm a HC I'm of the mind set that the Skins are not going to run RG3 unless they prove me wrong. I'm banking he's not 100%, he's still wearing the brace which tells me more then likely he's not going to want to or be willing to run for the 1st down... again until he proves me wrong. So I stack the DL and stop the only ground option you most likely would use (Morris) and force you into being one dimensional (passing). The Eagles decided to rush the whole game and figured if they couldn't get to RG3 then they would blow up the run plays. It worked for them. GB saw what the Eagles did and copied it. Until this team adjusts for what is happening each team will continue to do the same thing.

Which is why I suggested design some roll outs, play action to roll outs, fake the option to roll outs. Then and only then will other teams back off and cover more of the field opening up run lanes for Morris.

They also need to get RG3 on page with his TE's and WR's. Add more quick slant routes, and curl routes which is hard for the defender to stop. Add in some routes where the WR has to run 20 yrds then come back 5 or 10 to catch the ball. Then the other plays will start opening up. The double moves will start working.
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Myth 1 - RG3 is a bama

Thats right I said it, RG isnt a bama thats a myth put on by a damn fake ass troll. RG3 is a stone cold pimp. EJ Manuel has thrown A touchdown, Tom Brady likes to yell, One Manning bro leads the league in TD thrown, the other leads the league in Interceptions and dog-like frowns. RG3 has pimp tendencies shown when he took a franchise on his back after a 3-6 start and lead them to a division title.
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Myth 1 - RG3 is a bama

Thats right I said it, RG isnt a bama thats a myth put on by a damn fake ass troll. RG3 is a stone cold pimp. EJ Manuel has throw A touchdown, Tom Brady likes to yell, One Manning bro leads the league in TD thrown, the other leads the league in Interceptions and dog-like frowns. RG3 has pimp tendencies shown when he took a franchise on his back after a 3-6 start and lead them to a division title.
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I think only RGIII knows what RGIII thinks.
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I think physically he's probably not 100% but I think he's close, I think the mental part is what's holding him back at this point and is going to take some more time before he's 100% comfortable.
I agree and imo he was looking to get rid of the ball asap in the Packers game like he was a bit scared of getting hit. He wasn't much of a threat to run so the Packers were able to kind of figure him out easier.
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I think only RGIII knows what RGIII thinks.
Please......cease with you're Bamaassery!
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I think only RGIII knows what RGIII thinks.
You mean only RGTrIIIp knows

I don't think he's playing terribly myself
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Any insights SS about internal problems with the team? Or is this just a fundamental football problem? The defense is pretty poor is their any internal feelings about what the problems are?
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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the 3rd quarter. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.
Just to briefly respond to the points of disagreement.

A lot of this analysis is based off the Green Bay game. Perhaps RG3 should be docked for having two or three balls sail over the intended target against Philadelphia, but the accuracy wasn't really an issue against Green Bay. He completed 65% and threw some in-completions because he tried forcing a couple passes to receivers that weren't open, usually on third downs.

If you thought Griffin was a big-time plant-and-fire guy last season, I don't know how to respond. He can clearly rip it, but he's not a consistent strider, and you have to keep that in mind when concluding that he's "not stepping into his throws." There are some throws he isn't stepping into, others he is, and this isn't all that different from last season.

You point out his ball velocity is affected. I just don't think it is, like, at all. This would be something that would be cool if we could see it measured objectively, but I don't have a way of doing that. I can tell you that he isn't underthrowing receivers any more often than last year, but I haven't seen data on the actual ball velocity. It just looks normal to me. If I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong about that.
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A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.
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A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.
I said that RGIII looks more than "uncomfortable" - in fact I said that, to me, RGIII is playing scared. I did not mean this as an explanation for why he is not running, although that is part of it. I meant my claim as an explanation for why his mechanics and decision-making in the passing game have been so poor at times.

Please note that if I am right, this is a fixable problem. If you fall off a horse, trepidation is natural until you get back on and experience safety again. If I am right, RGIII needs to get to the point where he says, "Damn the torpedoes" and moves on. I think that this will happen this week, in fact.

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A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.
RG3 lowest QB rating in the league in the first half of games 33.3%, second half is the 5th highest. His completion % is 45.8 (11/24) in the first half. His accuracy is a problem.

So when the defense softens, he does well.

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RG3 is not comfy in the pocket and his mechanics are inconsistent and not stable.
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