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Old 09-23-2013, 12:02 PM   #316
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I mean how is it that the redskins get worse after a 10 win season?? It just sucks man, I was really looking forward to this year and it really seems like it's already over
I get the offensive problems with griff coming back from injury, but the defense truly is epically bad. Most of these guys have been in this system 3 years and are starting thier fourth.

Terrible mess.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:05 PM   #317
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Just a small bit of Info, Doc said this morning on the radio that Griffs interception was a great throw. He put the int more on Garcon then Griff.
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I get the offensive problems with griff coming back from injury, but the defense truly is epically bad. Most of these guys have been in this system 3 years and are starting thier fourth.

Terrible mess.
To me, the defense being a mess, is that really honest to god a surprise? Did we watch last year?

The surprise is the offense. Kyle is doing a terrible job, and like Garcon said today, RG3 is not healthy. Thats the main reason we need to run the ball.
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Unfortunately those are probably the two poorest plays of the games yesterday and hold the most scrutiny. Part of RG3 game which has grown this year is the check down, man he really knows how to pad the stat line.

Less RG3, more Alfmo and the running game. Not winning too many game throwing 50 times.
Sure, but you've got to pick your battles when criticizing an 0-3 team.

In my utopian world, my quarterback doesn't ever turn the ball over, and if he does, my depth chart is four deep with equally awesome players who won't turn the ball over, and every choice my coach makes always works.

In reality, even great players make bad decisions sometimes. Griffin has been guilty of the careless play this year. But I thought other than that, the team looked mostly fine yesterday. When you went into the year looking at ways they might lose at home to the Lions, the game that actually happened yesterday was pretty high up there on that list. In isolation, nothing at all to be concerned about.

But we're not looking at yesterday in isolation when we criticize Griffin's turnovers. We're looking at his game yesterday in the context as coming off the worst two game stretch of a Shanahan era that has been very underwhelming in it's totality. And thus the expectation falls on Griffin to not just be great, but to be as great as we need him to be, given declining teammates.

And that's how two careless turnovers go from "young players gonna young" to "totally unacceptable"
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Just a small bit of Info, Doc said this morning on the radio that Griffs interception was a great throw. He put the int more on Garcon then Griff.
What? that's effing retarded. horrible rex-like int where the ball needed to be thrown away.
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Here is a solution to 2 of our defensive problems.

1. Remove London Fletcher as ILB
2. Install him as the new Defensive Coordinator immediately
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If you want to wait for Griffin to be truly, 100% back to the level of athlete he was last season, that means sitting him out for the entire season. A full Derrick Rose.

But for practical purposes in terms of functioning as an athlete at a high level, the guy is fine. No issues throwing the football or gaining velocity in open space. There's a limited amount of explosion in the knee. But: he's a quarterback. There's more explosion in that rehabbing knee than Peyton Manning has, and Manning's making out okay.
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Sure, but you've got to pick your battles when criticizing an 0-3 team.

In my utopian world, my quarterback doesn't ever turn the ball over, and if he does, my depth chart is four deep with equally awesome players who won't turn the ball over, and every choice my coach makes always works.

In reality, even great players make bad decisions sometimes. Griffin has been guilty of the careless play this year. But I thought other than that, the team looked mostly fine yesterday. When you went into the year looking at ways they might lose at home to the Lions, the game that actually happened yesterday was pretty high up there on that list. In isolation, nothing at all to be concerned about.

But we're not looking at yesterday in isolation when we criticize Griffin's turnovers. We're looking at his game yesterday in the context as coming off the worst two game stretch of a Shanahan era that has been very underwhelming in it's totality. And thus the expectation falls on Griffin to not just be great, but to be as great as we need him to be, given declining teammates.

And that's how two careless turnovers go from "young players gonna young" to "totally unacceptable"
U did see the 2 other shoulda been picked throws and fumbled snaps/scramble plays?

RG3 needs to take care of the ball much better.

PS First, that ball was thrown perfect to Robinson.
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If you want to wait for Griffin to be truly, 100% back to the level of athlete he was last season, that means sitting him out for the entire season. A full Derrick Rose.

But for practical purposes in terms of functioning as an athlete at a high level, the guy is fine. No issues throwing the football or gaining velocity in open space. There's a limited amount of explosion in the knee. But: he's a quarterback. There's more explosion in that rehabbing knee than Peyton Manning has, and Manning's making out okay.
I think 90% would be good, but dont think he's there. I see less velocity in his throws
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Talking about the one he dropped. That pass was under thrown and probably the reason it was dropped.
It was dropped because Robinson dropped it. Not because it was under thrown by a yard.

That was a NFL throw, it is not going to be perfect but it was still a good throw and most receivers in the NFL make that catch. I've seen elite quarterbacks make similar throws and receivers come down with it.

RG3 hasn't been great, and unless the Skins have a great QB, this team is mediocre at best... and calling them mediocre is generous in my opinion.
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U did see the 2 other shoulda been picked throws and fumbled snaps/scramble plays?

RG3 needs to take care of the ball much better.

PS First, that ball was thrown perfect to Robinson.
The snap that hit Logan Paulsen is a better example of the kind of crap that Griffin is dealing with than the fact that he had to save the play.

Also: terrible game management at the end of the game, a Shanahan staple. Could have kicked a FG to cut the lead to seven with 2:20 to play, with plenty of time to get the ball back. Instead, ran about six more plays, got down to the five yard line with 1:40 to go, and THEN kicked anyway when the Redskins absolutely needed a TD. Just so stupid. Only thing missing from that sequence was a wasted timeout because we couldn't get a play in in-time.

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Old 09-23-2013, 12:21 PM   #328
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Here is a solution to 2 of our defensive problems.

1. Remove London Fletcher as ILB
2. Install him as the new Defensive Coordinator immediately
I think your half right.


But seriously, the defense and the defensive strategy needs to come from a new voice. Im on the bandwagon to replace Haslett the bye week. Id promote Raheem.
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I think 90% would be good, but dont think he's there. I see less velocity in his throws
I don't, but it's a hard thing to measure. If you think 90% and I think 100%, we're both probably seeing what we want to. 90% and 100% both qualify as "just fine"
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Cap penalty or no cap penalty, a football team can choose it's veterans. You're stuck with the young talent you bring in because of rookie contracts and the waivers system, but the veteran market is different. You can always save money by cutting.

If the players in their first three seasons were struggling, and that's why the team was 0-3, you might suggest that the cap penalty was limiting the team from getting enough talent to compete. But the young players who were drafted have been thrust into the lineup almost immediately and have more than held their own.

If you make a list of guys who aren't helping, you get Fletcher and Meriweather near the top, but also Fred Davis, Will Montgomery, Tyler Polumbus, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, and probably Josh Morgan (though I'm feeling more charatable yesterday after AlfMo's TD run). There's just a ton of cap dollars tied up there that have nothing to do with the penalty.
I don't think your last sentence/paragraph is particularly accurate, the cap penalty not only limits spending, but precludes "arbitrary" use of dead space. We could have cut one or two of the players you listed, but it would have forced more restructures that the team obviously wanted to avoid. I am also surprised to see Bowen in your list, because my understanding is his play hasn't been in the category of Meriweather/Davis/Carriker, and once Jenkins/Jackson are back in the rotation, I imagine our front will have a better rotation to it.
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