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Old 09-23-2013, 03:23 PM   #376
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Can we please sign him on the cheap. He can help our KR game and change of pace!
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:24 PM   #377
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The way the rule is now if you go head first you can be hit. That's the way it should be. Either way I just don't agree with the ground causing a fumble period.
He wasn't down by contact. He was sliding head first. If someone had touched him on the way down, no fumble. Lets just say for example he slid head first, and no one touched him and got up and starting running again. Should that have been ruled a touchdown? I would say yes.

He never gave himself up.
He was never ruled down by contact.

I obviously did not have a problem with that ruling because I could have seen that as a bigger problem if they had not ruled it a fumble and ruled him down.
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:26 PM   #378
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He wasn't down by contact. He was sliding head first. If someone had touched him on the way down, no fumble. Lets just say for example he slid head first, and no one touched him and got up and starting running again. Should that have been ruled a touchdown? I would say yes.

He never gave himself up.
He was never ruled down by contact.

I obviously did not have a problem with that ruling because I could have seen that as a bigger problem if they had not ruled it a fumble and ruled him down.
I understand all that and the call was clearly the right one based on the rule.

I just don't like the rule.
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Griff has done a fantastic jon of getting out of bounds or down
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:37 PM   #380
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On the other hand, how's Peyton Manning fairing? Wes Welker? Reggie Bush? (Before his minor injury) I hear Ahmad Bradshaw had a pretty good game with Indy yesterday. The difference between what you're saying and what others are saying is that the cap penalty kept the 'skins from not only acquiring upgrades where the team needs obvious upgrades, but to have the money to take the cap hit on the players that aren't really working out for the team, but are forced to play since the 'skins had no other options. It isn't about having millions of dollars to sign big name over the hill stars to multi-year multi-million dollar contracts.
Well bringing in a Peyton Manning and having him throw to Welker is not a good example to use. My point was this, the bad has outweighed the good when it's come to free agency. Especially around here. Would you agree with that? We need to sign some guys, I just don't want to see what we saw in 2000 just cause we have cap space.
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The offense shot themselves in the foot a couple of times but the defense has been historically bad.

Given how bad the D has been it's going to be awfully hard for the offense make up for that no matter how well they play.
Seems to me they feed off each other. D had some crucial stops in big moments yesterday when the offense was clicking. If the offense faltered the d followed suit though.
I feel like if we could ever play with a lead in the second half that our d would be ok.
Edit: i guess what im saying is our d is bad and the pressure they are always under to keep us in the game because our offense isnt pulling their weight isnt helping
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:54 PM   #382
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In the 45 years that I have played/followed football, it has always been true that if you were not down by contact, the ground could cause a fumble. It's all about whether someone is down by contact or not.

Its always been really simple to me. In the NFL you have to be touched to be down, so if you are in the process of getting tackled and le'ts say your elbow carrying the ball hits the ground causing you to fumble, then the ground caused it. If you slide, you are obviously giving yourself up. If you are diving forward like RG3 did, you are reaching for yardage, then anything can happen and Robert was not touched diving, so he could have rolled futher down the field or anything until he gets actually touched.

Bottom line, the Redskins this year have had huge mental mistakes on the rules. Skip practice one day and study the rules. Niles Paul now plays special teams and only specail teams, but yet he jumped for an onside kick, well before the 10 yards and caught it. If you play special teams, that should be the first rule you learn after, don't block in the back (which they seem to do on every kickoff or punt BTW).

Come guys, you make too much money to make simple mental rules mistakes, all the time.
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Old 09-23-2013, 03:59 PM   #383
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Well bringing in a Peyton Manning and having him throw to Welker is not a good example to use. My point was this, the bad has outweighed the good when it's come to free agency. Especially around here. Would you agree with that? We need to sign some guys, I just don't want to see what we saw in 2000 just cause we have cap space.
Um, yes, it's a very good example to use, lol!

Let me repeat. The cap penalty did more than just handicap the 'skins ability to sign free agents. It prevented the 'skins from being able to dump players that would have cost the team a certain amount of cap hit to dump. Instead, the team has to keep those players and play them. So, the hope is, the players will learn through continuity and improve on their play - how's that working out so far?
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Um, yes, it's a very good example to use, lol!

Let me repeat. The cap penalty did more than just handicap the 'skins ability to sign free agents. It prevented the 'skins from being able to dump players that would have cost the team a certain amount of cap hit to dump. Instead, the team has to keep those players and play them. So, the hope is, the players will learn through continuity and improve on their play - how's that working out so far?
Like who? D. Hall? He's playing for like a million dollars this year. Pretty good rate for a starting corner...and say what you want about D. Hall, but he's our best corner, he played a good game yesterday. Now Josh Wilson is another story...and btw...he was a free agent! How would you grade that signing? Did it pan out? I'd say probably not.
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Old 09-23-2013, 04:56 PM   #385
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Funny how people hate to give D.Hall props around here.
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Funny how people hate to give D.Hall props around here.
I know, it's pretty ridiculous. If you go back and actually watch the game when he was in man coverage against Johnson yesterday. He did really well, some of Calvin's bigger catchers were when they lined him in the slot and Josh Wilson ended up covering him.
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:19 PM   #387
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He played Calvin about as well you can play that guy. The so so reaction to Hall's performance is duly noted though.
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:21 PM   #388
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Hall has been one of the better corners in the NFL up to now. 2 defensive touchdowns already. He has also been pretty consistent in coverage so far.
I've never thought he was worth what the Redskins used to pay him, but right now he is a pretty good value for the 1 or 2 million he is getting paid.
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problem is WILSON, and the safeties
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Old 09-23-2013, 05:30 PM   #390
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The snap that hit Logan Paulsen is a better example of the kind of crap that Griffin is dealing with than the fact that he had to save the play.

Also: terrible game management at the end of the game, a Shanahan staple. Could have kicked a FG to cut the lead to seven with 2:20 to play, with plenty of time to get the ball back. Instead, ran about six more plays, got down to the five yard line with 1:40 to go, and THEN kicked anyway when the Redskins absolutely needed a TD. Just so stupid. Only thing missing from that sequence was a wasted timeout because we couldn't get a play in in-time.

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