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Old 09-30-2013, 11:25 PM   #151
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I agree with your sentiment here, but I don't think Brady and Manning are accurate yard sticks. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure these guys had very large OL in front of them, while the Shaniplan calls for smaller mobile lineman that can be beat more easily in pass pro. I wonder though, in a pass heavy league is it smart to build your line around a running scheme while sacrificing good pass pro?
Shanny's had success in Denver with that scheme, and our last season was pretty good too. I don't think you need maulers to pass pro, especially when you can freeze the LBs with good PA (set up by running plays in similar sets) and burn blitzes with quick slants and outs.

edit: Yeah the Pats OL is underrated, but Brady's dink and dunk can make it impossible to get to him as well.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:31 PM   #152
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Yeah but that won't last long in the NFL, u have to be special to be a franchise QB, he's a great character guy and I really like him don't get me wrong but IMO he just doesn't have that elite ability and passing that u have to have. Hell none of these young guns should be considered great yet that gets on my nerves. Even Griffin
I believe some in the media do not like to give credit to a team as a whole, and they have to focus on one person. RW is succeeding mainly because of the talent he has in offense and defense. Which is not necessarily a criticism, because there have been QBs that cannot take advantage of the talent around him.

Seattle is a playoff contender and a lot of things are going their way this season. They have one of the biggest home field advantage in sports, talent on both sides of the ball (including one of the best defenses in the league), and they have a pretty easy schedule. Unless something drastically changes, they could easily go 12-4.
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Shanny's had success in Denver with that scheme, and our last season was pretty good too. I don't think you need maulers to pass pro, especially when you can freeze the LBs with good PA (set up by running plays in similar sets) and burn blitzes with quick slants and outs.

edit: Yeah the Pats OL is underrated, but Brady's dink and dunk can make it impossible to get to him as well.
I agree that it has been and can be a successful scheme, but I'd be interested to see if there are any stats about time in the pocket and QB hits / sacks/ injuries for Zone Scheme vs others. There probably aren't such stats, and I'm certainly not head coach material, but I guess on a common sense level, if I were building my team around a franchise QB with a big arm I would be putting the biggest best Pass Protecting OL that I could find in front of him, even if he is mobile. I really have confidence in the Shanihans, but I think it is still a point worth debating.
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Ugly win but it is indeed a Win!
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I agree that it has been and can be a successful scheme, but I'd be interested to see if there are any stats about time in the pocket and QB hits / sacks/ injuries for Zone Scheme vs others. There probably aren't such stats, and I'm certainly not head coach material, but I guess on a common sense level, if I were building my team around a franchise QB with a big arm I would be putting the biggest best Pass Protecting OL that I could find in front of him, even if he is mobile. I really have confidence in the Shanihans, but I think it is still a point worth debating.
Usually teams that use a ZBS do a fair amount of rollouts, bootlegs, and moving pockets in the passing game. Thats one of the things that Kyle needs to get on board with. He doesnt do enough of them imo. RG3 is good on the move, and it shouldnt just be scrambles. We can start him moving from the snap to get away from the rush. The constant moving side to side, on both stretch runs and a moving pocket in the pass game, can wear down a defensive line.
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I also don't understand why we had to tank the first quarter of the season to give RG3 playing time while recovering. Going off the Cleveland game last season, we could have won an extra game or two so far with Cousins. Remember we were NFCE champs, but only beat NYG by one game and came down to the last reg season game with DAL. I don't agree with sacrificing the team for any one individual.

RG3 needs to get back up to speed and in football shape? That's what practice and conditioning is for. Griffin did darn well with zero NFL experience his rookie season, he'll be fine. Playing him like we have, we're lucky not to be 0-4 and RG3 knocked out of this season, IMO.

Start Cousins till RG3 is 100%. I mean full mobility the knee brace is off 100%. It's better for RG3 and the Skins.
I disagree with everything you wrote about starting Cousins over RGIII.

RGIII is our QB now and hopefully for many years to come. He needs the work he gets in games to develop into one of the top few QB's in the NFL. If he were not well enough to play, then he wouldn't be on the field.

Also, with the way the Redskins played so poorly on defense against Philly and GB, it is very doubtful that Cousins could have made any difference in the outcome of those games. In the Detroit game, we were one dropped pass away from a win.
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wow: just looked at some tweets/pics from HTTR24_7 Paul and OL made some dumb ones. Look at these two pics for example:

Paul just missed the guy, and this is the result:
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Need to get Fred Davis back on the field. He's our best te.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:17 PM   #159
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So it's a sprained MCL for Logan Paulsen
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not too bad i guess.. any news on Reed
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Schaub certainly helped,no doubt about that.BUT when Seattle needed it Wilson took them on a 98 yard drive with a couple of great passes,1 td nullified by penalty,and some great runs to get them in the endzone.If you didnt watch the game then you dont know how well Wilson played.I watched houdston game and skins game.
I watched every play from both games and Wilson did not play great by any stretch, but hey it is what it is. I am not gonna change your mind and you arent gonna change mine. Let's just move on.
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So it's a sprained MCL for Logan Paulsen
How long will he be out? Any idea?

The whole 4 TE thing hasn't really panned out so far.
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Need to get Fred Davis back on the field. He's our best te.
Honestly I don't believe that anymore.

I was hoping for that to be the case, but our best all around te right now is Paulsen. Hell I don't even think davis is our best pass catcher. Reed is becoming that guy.

Davis is having some problems.
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Honestly I don't believe that anymore.

I was hoping for that to be the case, but our best all around te right now is Paulsen. Hell I don't even think davis is our best pass catcher. Reed is becoming that guy.

Davis is having some problems.

Yeah, I think he is probably not where he needs to be yet physically, and I also believe he has mentally checked out due to frustration about injuries, status with the team, drafting of Jordan Reed...
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Right now the offense is struggling. Our running game and oline not lighting it up, maybe Fred could help on that department. I don't think we have the luxury of sitting talent on the offense, it's not producing like it should be
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