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Old 10-01-2013, 10:16 PM   #196
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Really like what I see from Tannehill. He's not all jittery in the pocket, he stands in there and let's thing play out, and throws a hard accurate ball. Looks like Phillip Rivers with a bigger arm and way better mobility. He just needs more games under his belt.
Tannehill has been about what I expected him to be in the pros. Good enough to make you look elsewhere to improve your team, for a while. No major issues in his game, a couple minor critical flaws. He has no deep ball, but he compensates that by being an above average runner.

He's a bit of a ball holder in the pocket, but he doesn't compound the problem by being sloppy with the football. And the crappiness of the Dolphins OTs makes the problem look worse than it is.

His upside is almost perfectly average, which is fine. With the 8th pick, you're hoping for more. Rivers isn't a bad comparison, but I think Rivers was a lot better at the same point in his career as a starter.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:20 PM   #197
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Re: We won!!!!!!!!!! (Redskins vs. Raiders Post Game Thread)

Want to say something nice about our sometimes maligned offensive line, that this group is very well prepared to play football every week. It's not the most talented group or dominant group up front, but they get pretty good marks for their awareness and rarely get surprised by a pressure package. It's a great group to develop a young quarterback behind.

Normally, we'd call those things good coaching (and it is), but I don't want to go straight to coaching and sell the actual players short. This is a smart group.

I say this now because I can see some of the lineman getting banged up and missing time and then having to play LeRibeus or Compton later in the year, and the things I mentioned above becoming an issue.
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:25 PM   #198
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Re: We won!!!!!!!!!! (Redskins vs. Raiders Post Game Thread)

Finally, it took three weeks for Amerson to develop into our top cover corner. For the most part, the guy just destroyed Denarius Moore on the press. Best man to man guy we have and probably zone as well, simply because there's more of him (length) than either Hall or Wilson.

Of course, he was pressing Moore on the play he got beaten on a vertical, so he's still got some work to do.

He's done incredibly well for a second round pick at a position that typically takes a long time to develop.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:08 PM   #199
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I lied, one more game observation:

Maybe this is just through pure repetition, but the passing game is better in 2013 than it was in 2012. Hankerson is open on almost every route he runs. Garcon is quicker than he was last year. Griffin uses the pocket a lot more effectively. The ball is coming out on time to the open man more often.

I'm not ready to announce that the offense is back and fixed: there are still some role guys who aren't performing like last year: Paulsen and Young at the top of the list. But there are a number of things they're doing well this year that they weren't doing well last year. And I think the Redskins are close to their 2012 offensive levels, even though there isn't any chance they'll lead the NFL in rushing this year. The passing game appears ready to pick up the slack.

Just have to catch the football.
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Tannehill has been about what I expected him to be in the pros. Good enough to make you look elsewhere to improve your team, for a while. No major issues in his game, a couple minor critical flaws. He has no deep ball, but he compensates that by being an above average runner.

He's a bit of a ball holder in the pocket, but he doesn't compound the problem by being sloppy with the football. And the crappiness of the Dolphins OTs makes the problem look worse than it is.

His upside is almost perfectly average, which is fine. With the 8th pick, you're hoping for more. Rivers isn't a bad comparison, but I think Rivers was a lot better at the same point in his career as a starter.
Rivers developed some bad habits but that was fully based on the fact his team was horrible. O line injured and depleted, no receivers and no one to throw to. Gates been injured for 3 years, v jax gone, tomalison gone, sproles gone, etc. so what happens if you force throws and try to do too much. Rivers is a hell of a qb, but like most qb u can't do it alone.
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Regarding the O-Line: GB, Det, and Oakland all have really active fronts that have given them some issues. Getting into the meat of the NFC East should help our OL look a bit better.

I think Chester may be fighting the knee that gave him some issues at the end of last year. No inside information on that, just speculation based on a lack of observable quickness.

Other than that, we're into year three of the "Will Montgomery and Tyler Polumbus get uncontested starting jobs" which is more of a potential issue in the future than an explanation for a slow start by the OL. Trent and Kory have played very well this year, although Trent is capable of playing even better than he has.

Most of the pass protection breakdowns have come from the backs this season. Not the OL.
Do you mean backs and TEs?
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Tannehill has been about what I expected him to be in the pros. Good enough to make you look elsewhere to improve your team, for a while. No major issues in his game, a couple minor critical flaws. He has no deep ball, but he compensates that by being an above average runner.

He's a bit of a ball holder in the pocket, but he doesn't compound the problem by being sloppy with the football. And the crappiness of the Dolphins OTs makes the problem look worse than it is.

His upside is almost perfectly average, which is fine. With the 8th pick, you're hoping for more. Rivers isn't a bad comparison, but I think Rivers was a lot better at the same point in his career as a starter.
Leading the league in fumbles is not sloppy with the ball?
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Do you mean backs and TEs?
Yes, although the TE's haven't been asked to pass block almost at all because the line has been solid on it's assignments. Sometimes the interior guys will get overwhelmed at the point of attack, but keeping a TE in isn't going to change that.

The TE's have struggled on the edge in the running game, and just generally speaking in the passing game. We've gotten almost no return from the position this year, except a couple of quality snaps from Jordan Reed against Green Bay.
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Leading the league in fumbles is not sloppy with the ball?
It is, but I'm including last year's performance as well. I think Tannehill is pretty good with what is generally the worst pass protection in the league, although the whole state of Florida is brutal at protecting the QB.

You're right that 6 fumbles is a lot in 4 games. Something to keep an eye on.
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One of the biggest overlooked issues with the Redskins right now is our Special Teams. We could very well have the worse special team unit in the NFL, and it's really effected a lot of our games.

No return game
Giving up long punt returns
Blocked Punts
Missed FG's
Really bad onside kick performances.
etc..

I miss the days of Alexander and Sellers putting fear in other teams through special teams.
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One of the biggest overlooked issues with the Redskins right now is our Special Teams. We could very well have the worse special team unit in the NFL, and it's really effected a lot of our games.

No return game
Giving up long punt returns
Blocked Punts
Missed FG's
Really bad onside kick performances.
etc..

I miss the days of Alexander and Sellers putting fear in other teams through special teams.
I agree Bucket, I was just thinking about it yesterday, was it Lorenzo Alexander or Danny Smith why our ST's were good as they were????
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I don't think it was one or the other but the combination of the two. Remember last year though early in the season we lost a couple of games due to blocked punts and special teams problems. Through our first few games people were questioning whether or not smith should be fired.
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Skins try out 18 players including Jason Smith and Muhammed Massaquoi.

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^ I knew we were going to go after another WR
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Massaquoi could be a nice pickup.

Jason Smith is a bust.
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