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Old 10-14-2013, 10:44 PM   #136
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Not the team I meant but your example may be better than mine.

The cap penalty isn't the difference between us and a great team. And it would matter a lot less if Mike didn't waste his first two seasons blowing up the defense and making several big mistakes at QB. But that misses the point. Talent is way down on the list of problems we face. Mike and co probably take up the top ten spots on the list and the cap penalty might be the eleventh.
The cap penalty is the difference between this team and this team with Aqib Talib instead of DeAngelo Hall or EJ Biggers (and possibly Eddie Royal instead of Moss). That's it. That's what 36 million cost us.

We couldn't afford a front-line corner. It's unfair. But that's the practical cost.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:48 PM   #137
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There have been franchises that have been terrible and new coaches were able to make them playoff teams or at least the teams had shown improvement in less than three years.

The cap penalty is unique to the Redskins but pretty much this same team went 10-6 with similar restrictions, and last I checked the NFC East is actually worst than last year. And signing free agents is not the key to developing great teams, drafting and developing players is what will win you games, and besides Trent Williams, what player has been a for sure great draft pick that the Redskins have developed to his potential?

Ever since Pete Carroll took over the Seahawks have made better decisions than the Redskins, specifically on draft day, and they have developed their players, unlike the Redskins. The Seahawks were good when Holmgren was there, but the minute he left the team went straight downhill and became one of the worst franchises in the NFL. Just like When Gibbs left the Skins. Let us not act like the Seahawks were in that much of better than what Shanahan inherited.
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There have been franchises that have been terrible and new coaches were able to make them playoff teams or at least the teams had shown improvement in less than three years.

The cap penalty is unique to the Redskins but pretty much this same team went 10-6 with similar restrictions, and last I checked the NFC East is actually worst than last year. And signing free agents is not the key to developing great teams, drafting and developing players is what will win you games, and besides Trent Williams, what player has been a for sure great draft pick that the Redskins have developed to his potential?

Ever since Pete Carroll took over the Seahawks have made better decisions than the Redskins, specifically on draft day, and they have developed their players, unlike the Redskins. The Seahawks were good when Holmgren was there, but the minute he left the team went straight downhill and became one of the worst franchises in the NFL. Just like When Gibbs left the Skins. Let us not act like the Seahawks were in that much of better than what Shanahan inherited.
This is a totally different point from what I'm making, but no less accurate. Good post.
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Probably hanging out with Joe Walton (worst DC the Redskins ever had, worse than Haslett)
I'm pretty sure Walton was an OC
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Name me an HC with more top to bottom control than Mike? Makes him more responsible for his team than any other HC. Pretty simple.
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Uh, I'm not so sure about that. They wanted more than just Talib. They wanted Finnegan. They wanted a big play WR. They wanted OL help (Eric Winston ring a bell?) I forget what Safeties and LBs were available in FA the past 2 years, so I can't think of any more names. EDIT: Retaining Lorenzo is another to add.

Oh supposedly Reggie Bush was on our radar.

The point is, rumor has it (since thats all you and I know right now) we wanted more than just Talib and Eddie Royal. I think Smoot can settle this with some of his ''insider expertise.''
Here's the thing: no matter who they WANTED, the roster limits are exactly the same. For every player they could have acquired, someone else is not here. And 93% of this roster are made up of guys who Shanahan or someone else on the coaching staff has banged the table for as guys they had to have. Some are overpaid. Some are underpaid. They are all hand picked.

If Bush is here, Helu is not. If Talib is here, Hall is not. If Royal is here, Moss is not. Those are all arguably upgrades, but we're still moving through a difficult second season for RG3 and terrible gameday management w/o the cap penalty. The roster restrictions do not change because we have more cap space.

A player like Talib or Finnegan (although Finnegan has been awful this season) would make our defense better. No question about it. But we also wouldn't have had Hall's great games against Detroit or Dallas. And the other three games were either won, or didn't come down to a single play or player.

We'd be 1-4 either way, basically, although a bit of a better team.
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I'm pretty sure Walton was an OC
You are correct, he still sucked!!!
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Yep and Walton is the head coach at Robert Morris U. Still going. He seemed old when he was the hc for the JETS
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Kinda sucks we're talking about a coaching change after 5 weeks. Didn't we do the same thing last year? Lol.
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The Seahawks aren't trading for Percy Harvin or giving Brandon Browner a raise if they had a cap penalty on them. But then they also have two high draft picks with which to build their team. They would have weathered the cap penalty that we have just fine.
They also re-signed Lynch. No doubt having those extra picks helped big time. The way I look at it, we sacrificed 4 starters for 1.

One of Mike's biggest blunders has been his choice in DC.
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Kinda sucks we're talking about a coaching change after 5 weeks. Didn't we do the same thing last year? Lol.
Shanahan deserves to be able to finish the year. I still think he has to finish at the very minimum 7-9 to keep his job. No matter what happens, last year proved to me he deserves to finish the season.
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One thing that we all should now about football right now as fans is that paying more for your players does not ensure you of better players.

The cap penalty took away a number of opportunities to get better. But at 1-4, the problem is that we have done a poor job taking advantage of the opportunities we get every Sunday. If your argument is really that our dealt hand was so crappy that it can not be overcome, you're probably an excuse-maker.
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Hmmm.....Indy doing hurry up with 9 minutes. Never mind. Fire the Shanahan's!
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I agree that we should be better and there have been many missteps along the way (McNabb, handling of RG3 during offseason, etc. )

BUT, I'm just not sure changing coaches is the answer. We're coming off a NFC Championship, and we're stumbling out of the gates after our QB's knee is slowly healing.

Couple of reasons to stay put:
1) Lack of continuity has hurt us repeatedly over past 10-15 years, and new coach would put us back again without certainty anything would be better. Shanahan has taken almost 4 years to evolve roster to a 3-4 defense, ZBS, etc and a new coach could change it all again delaying all progress.
2) Shanahan had to deal with many challenges:
- $30M salary cap penalty limited staff's ability to get RT, WR, secondary help
- inherited Haynesworth, Portis, and very old/toxic team
- RG3's injury delayed his progress this year
3) Team has managed cap relatively well (aside from penalty). They have not backloaded many contracts, putting us in great position to get great FA's this coming offseason.
4) Drafts have been MUCH better than Cerratos years. T.Williams, Kerrigan (passing on Gabbert), P. Riley, RG3, A.Morris. Promising players like J.Reed, Hankerson, and ?? Amerson/Cousins, etc


I know we can't wait forever, but I'd still say changing coaches frequently has hurt us again and again, and I'd rather stick it out for a few more years than blow up the roster all over again.
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They also re-signed Lynch. No doubt having those extra picks helped big time. The way I look at it, we sacrificed 4 starters for 1.

One of Mike's biggest blunders has been his choice in DC.
I think the RG3 trade is still a very real debate as far as whether it was worth it or not.

From Shanahan's point though it was a no-brainer. It helped him win in 2012 using draft pick value from the 2013 and 2014 seasons, seasons that he only gets to coach in if he wins in 2012. The win now decision is not something that he regrets, nor should he. No matter what happens, we'll always have last year's seven game run.

I tend to lean towards the I'd do the trade again side, but there were so many great quarterbacks in the 2012 draft, that any team offering multiple firsts to move up definitely overpaid (and they were lined up to overpay). The draft is one of the spots where you can overpay for picks and not have it harm your franchise long term.

Unless you drafted Brandon Weeden. Then you really got it wrong.
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