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Old 10-14-2013, 11:58 PM   #166
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Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

Despite what some are clamoring for, I doubt Snyder fires Shanny unless the bottom completely falls out (4-12 type) and/or there is major dissension between him and RG3. He promised 5 yrs and if fires a well regarded NFL coaching lifer then he's basically affirming everything bad people inside the game and out have said about him and the organization since he bought the team.

That being said, IF he does that then look for someone who runs an up-tempo/no huddle/spread scheme that Griffin reportedly prefers or someone with a strong defensive background (Zimmer or Ray Horton comes to mind) or a shot at a Belichick/Carroll round 2 type who flamed out once but was well regarded (Spagnuolo, Childress, Wisenhunt) who are chomping at a second chance to prove themselves.

I can't see Snyder going the college route again after Spurrier and not the retread route either after Schottenheimer, Gibbs and Shanahan.

Honestly, I'm not excited about any of them.. With no first round pick and a number of starters with expiring contracts, I'm Rod Gardner (50-50) on if this offseason is the time to be making such a big change.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:07 AM   #167
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Yes, but the NFL evolves. Players play differently in their contract years. Players get older (See Fletcher, London). Injuries and suspensions occur. Opposing teams get better, then certain losses can really kick a teams demeanor in the gut. Key backups get hurt. Also our offense was the key to this team last year. Teams hadn't played against an offense like ours last year, now they've studied and started to figure out our offense. They've punched us, and we haven't counter punched them back. Its basically a lot of little things adding up to one major problem with us and some of those things, such as demeanor and will, aren't in-season fixes.
My point is talent wise it's the same team that won 10 games a year ago. That's why the lack of talent excuse is a weak one IMO.
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My point is talent wise it's the same team that won 10 games a year ago. That's why the lack of talent excuse is a weak one IMO.
In some ways, we're more talented this year, but last year's team was excellent at putting defenses in no-win situations and then physically punishing them for their indecision.

I don't think they have the talent available to do that this season. RG3 is more limited, Chester is more limited, Paulsen is more limited, Davis hasn't made any impact, and the strength in numbers approach by the offense just isn't that much of an advantage against bigger, faster, stronger defenses.

Ultimately, despite the best efforts of Kyle Shanahan et al, the Redskins need to win more one on one battles on offense (to win games) than they are capable of right now. And do that that, they need a talent infusion. But in the mean time, a better offensive approach could help put lipstick on the pig.

The last three games, the Redskins have been pretty much what they are: above average offensively, average defensively, horrific on special teams. I think the team is just out of upside at this point. There aren't many more wells to tap into to improve the performance of the roster (although game management could be easily and instantly improved). Fresh blood is needed.
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Despite what some are clamoring for, I doubt Snyder fires Shanny unless the bottom completely falls out (4-12 type) and/or there is major dissension between him and RG3. He promised 5 yrs and if fires a well regarded NFL coaching lifer then he's basically affirming everything bad people inside the game and out have said about him and the organization since he bought the team.
If he sits idle while Shanahan wastes another season of his investment in RG3, that's pretty much the mark of an owner who doesn't have the balls to stand up for himself.
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If he sits idle while Shanahan wastes another season of his investment in RG3, that's pretty much the mark of an owner who doesn't have the balls to stand up for himself.
You may be right but it's a no win situation really.. Fire a 'legendary coach' or sit on your hands and hope for the best, either way Snyder looks bad. Really Snyder's only out is to not offer him an extension making him a lame duck and hope that Shanahan quits/retires. I think Shanny's ego is way too big for that though.
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Can we do an updated poll?
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You may be right but it's a no win situation really.. Fire a 'legendary coach' or sit on your hands and hope for the best, either way Snyder looks bad. Really Snyder's only out is to not offer him an extension making him a lame duck and hope that Shanahan quits/retires. I think Shanny's ego is way too big for that though.
Well, it's a no win situation if the goal is to not be criticized by anyone, but if the goal is to get it right and do the best thing to help the Redskins win, it's an easy and obvious decision.

Shanahan is a legendary coach for his accomplishments with the Denver Broncos, but he's been very forgettable here. The Broncos were making an aggressive move to fire the most successful coach in their franchise history. Shanahan hasn't even been the most successful Redskins coach of the Snyder era.
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That's just nonsense. The worst teams/franchises in league history have been turned around completely in just three years. Mike's had that and more. This is a piss poor team because of him, period. Mike has had complete control from day one and is more responsible for his team than any other coach in the nfl.
Yea, Cleveland, Detroit and Oakland are completely turned around and winning like crazy.
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The difference with last year was dumb luck and momentum of a superhuman talent in Robert that won regular season games at the expense of the playoffs a d 2013 season.
So how about those games were Robert had a hurt knee and was less than superhuman? (pretty much every game past Baltimore)

You think it was Rob's play in the last game of the season that won the NFC East crown for us? Not even close.
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That's just nonsense. The worst teams/franchises in league history have been turned around completely in just three years. Mike's had that and more. This is a piss poor team because of him, period. Mike has had complete control from day one and is more responsible for his team than any other coach in the nfl.
This is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this forum, and that includes the drunk thread.

Tell me how Oakland has been turned around? Jacksonville? Didn't Mike Holmgren get run out of town in Cleveland b/c he didn't do sh*t? Arizona after Kurt Warner left?

Were any of those teams blindsided by a $36 million dollar cap penalty or had their QB taken out with a season ending injury during their playoff run?

None of us have anything to cheer about lately and everyone is entitled to complain about it. But this bitter biased bullsh*t you spew every day is ridiculous.
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Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

I doubt that firing a supposedly legendary coach after four years, or 80% the way through, a five-year contract would have any impact whatsoever on the interest of desirable Head Coach candidates. That would hardly qualify as a rash act on the part of Dan Snyder, IMO.
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This is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this forum, and that includes the drunk thread.

Tell me how Oakland has been turned around? Jacksonville? Didn't Mike Holmgren get run out of town in Cleveland b/c he didn't do sh*t? Arizona after Kurt Warner left?

Were any of those teams blindsided by a $36 million dollar cap penalty or had their QB taken out with a season ending injury during their playoff run?

None of us have anything to cheer about lately and everyone is entitled to complain about it. But this bitter biased bullsh*t you spew every day is ridiculous.

Shhh... the shit he spews actually keeps my laughing. Dont make him stop.
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Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY
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This is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this forum, and that includes the drunk thread.

Tell me how Oakland has been turned around? Jacksonville? Didn't Mike Holmgren get run out of town in Cleveland b/c he didn't do sh*t? Arizona after Kurt Warner left?

Were any of those teams blindsided by a $36 million dollar cap penalty or had their QB taken out with a season ending injury during their playoff run?

None of us have anything to cheer about lately and everyone is entitled to complain about it. But this bitter biased bullsh*t you spew every day is ridiculous.
Oakland is two years in I believe and looking up, excellent defense and tons of cap room to work with after this season. Cleveland is a better team than the Redskins. Jax is Jax, I guess if that's who you want to keep company with there's no point in discussion.

On the other side of the ledger, you have myriad teams that have done it in three years roughly. Detroit best example IMO. Seattle is a good one like GTripp pointed out. Others have been pointed out as well.
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Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY
Yes, but with every team you can use for example. I can add another. It's different scenario's in every organization. We've had a lot of things happen here that are not the same in NO or TB, vice versa.

I think we are closer than a lot of people think we are. I see the will to win from our team, and RG3 is getting better every week. He looked a little shaken last game from all the pressure, but at least we know his legs are coming back.

I still think we need a Playmaker on defense or Offense. I feel we have a solid group of players, but we really lack a AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Ed Reed, or Graham. Even the Browns have Morgan who has become a force on the field.

Shanhan's image was to bring in a bunch of hard workers that will go till the end, and even though it's a good thing we have that dedication. It's tough to compare to pure athletic ability. Our fastest, and most athletic player is our QB and we gave up a lot to get him where other teams draft their playmaker.

Now that we are not getting a 1st rounder next year, I would hope we put money in to a big free agent.

I'll go out on a limb and say we are 5-5 going against San Francisco.
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