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Old 10-15-2013, 04:29 PM   #196
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Moss has largely been schemed out of the offense, and when he does get reps RG overlooks or misses him wide open quite a lot. Several factors contributing as to why it looks like we don't have enough downfield weapons.

For one thing I hate the way routes get bunched up. We don't run a spread offense (don't really spread the field well at all) and rarely have more than three targets downfield, yet time and again they're all within a few yards of each other. It's beyond frustrating.
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Old 10-15-2013, 04:32 PM   #197
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I do agree we need to spread it out more. I am a little lost on some of what we're scheming up offensively. Other teams seem to be able to maximize what they have and do well. We seem to try and force it too much.
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I just Hate the stupid WR in the backfield crap.
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Speaking of not maximizing players potential, it amazes me Helu isn't recording Reggie Bush type numbers. That guy is dynamite when healthy but it's a moot point when we limit him to behind the tackles and a few botched screen passes or checkdowns.
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There was a play I was looking at on Game Rewind on 1st and 10 from our own 20 in the 4th quarter (the drive where RG3 fumbled) and we start the play with 9 players in the box and Hankerson about 2 feet from Trent. I'm not sure what the point was of that formation, especially at that juncture of the game.

That tells the defense that they only have to worry about 3 players max going past 10-15 yards and with the game situation they weren't all that concerned with the run.

Kyle has a bad habit of trying to be way too cute/clever for the sake of 3 yards.
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Speaking of not maximizing players potential, it amazes me Helu isn't recording Reggie Bush type numbers. That guy is dynamite when healthy but it's a moot point when we limit him to behind the tackles and a few botched screen passes or checkdowns.
No, he's not. Helu has terrible field vision, no patience and below average balance as a runner.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:37 PM   #202
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No, he's not. Helu has terrible field vision, no patience and below average balance as a runner.
C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?
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C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?
Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.
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Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.
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Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.
I've been pretty consistent about both things. Here's a post from last year:

Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.


I said our talent was in line with the 2nd half of the season. You may not be able to comprehend nuance though, at least that's been your MO so far.
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I've been pretty consistent about both things. Here's a post from last year:

Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.


I said our talent was in line with the 2nd half of the season. You may not be able to comprehend nuance though, at least that's been your MO so far.
The very first line is exactly what im saying. One time its bad coaching with talent to succeed, the next is a terrible GM and no talent. You said not enough talent early last year. Thats exactly what im saying. Being consistent about both things dont match, its impossible for those to match. There is no nuance there. Its changing of opinions based on the "Fire Shanny" rant of the day.
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I like Carmichael. Have heard not so great things about Clements. Think Monty is being overlooked
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Ken Wisenhunt should get another shot.
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If we lose out ( I hope we don't) Shanahan and crew should be canned (I would can him if we do not finish 8-8). Not sure who we should be in as a head coach but I would go to a 4-3 defense. People will say we don't have the personal but we are very close - Rak & Kerrigan DE's Colfield< Baker and Jenkins, Nield DT. Still have Bowen DE, Golston (could play both DE and DT). Jackson OLB 0 Riley, B Jenkins, (Fletcher retired) MLB. CB"S & Safites - need to be addressed.
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