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Old 10-15-2013, 08:10 PM   #226
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Re: Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

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I've been pretty consistent about both things. Here's a post from last year:

Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.


I said our talent was in line with the 2nd half of the season. You may not be able to comprehend nuance though, at least that's been your MO so far.
The very first line is exactly what im saying. One time its bad coaching with talent to succeed, the next is a terrible GM and no talent. You said not enough talent early last year. Thats exactly what im saying. Being consistent about both things dont match, its impossible for those to match. There is no nuance there. Its changing of opinions based on the "Fire Shanny" rant of the day.
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:17 PM   #227
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Tom Clements
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Phillip Montgomery as OC or QB Coach or WR Coach
I like Carmichael. Have heard not so great things about Clements. Think Monty is being overlooked
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Old 10-15-2013, 08:31 PM   #228
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Ken Wisenhunt should get another shot.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:40 PM   #229
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If we lose out ( I hope we don't) Shanahan and crew should be canned (I would can him if we do not finish 8-8). Not sure who we should be in as a head coach but I would go to a 4-3 defense. People will say we don't have the personal but we are very close - Rak & Kerrigan DE's Colfield< Baker and Jenkins, Nield DT. Still have Bowen DE, Golston (could play both DE and DT). Jackson OLB 0 Riley, B Jenkins, (Fletcher retired) MLB. CB"S & Safites - need to be addressed.
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If we lose out ( I hope we don't) Shanahan and crew should be canned (I would can him if we do not finish 8-8). Not sure who we should be in as a head coach but I would go to a 4-3 defense. People will say we don't have the personal but we are very close - Rak & Kerrigan DE's Colfield< Baker and Jenkins, Nield DT. Still have Bowen DE, Golston (could play both DE and DT). Jackson OLB 0 Riley, B Jenkins, (Fletcher retired) MLB. CB"S & Safites - need to be addressed.
That's all fine if they fire the coaches and bring in a new staff, but Rak hasn't played DE in the NFL. He was moved to LB when we played the 4-3, he isn't a very good pass rusher either way. Kerrigan is a good overall LB and wouldn't change that with moving him. I can see Rak leaving this offseason and take a Carlos or Laron one year deal to prove himself.
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Ken Wisenhunt should get another shot.
Agreed, but idk if he fits here.
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That's all fine if they fire the coaches and bring in a new staff, but Rak hasn't played DE in the NFL. He was moved to LB when we played the 4-3, he isn't a very good pass rusher either way. Kerrigan is a good overall LB and wouldn't change that with moving him. I can see Rak leaving this offseason and take a Carlos or Laron one year deal to prove himself.
IF Rak had some trade value might be worth trading him either picks or a db... MY point was 3-4 has not worked due to personal and/or coaching. Shanahan won't go back to a 4-3. I've never like the 3-4 but if we had a top 10 defense than I'd be okay with it...
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Ken Wisenhunt should get another shot.
YES! He was a good coach. Russ Grimm is another guy I'd like to have/deserving of an Asst. HC role.

To tweak my guys from the other day, I'd go with:

Head Coach--Mike Zimmer

OC--Phillip Montgomery

DC--Ron Rivera
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I'd be willing to bet Orakpo would thrive as a 4-3 DE regardless of how much time he has spent at OLB... Kerrigan also IMO .. both played there in college and i still think they have the talent...
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I'd be willing to bet Orakpo would thrive as a 4-3 DE regardless of how much time he has spent at OLB... Kerrigan also IMO .. both played there in college and i still think they have the talent...
Hand in the dirt or 2 point stance, it doesn't matter, Orakpo seldomly gets the QB. Also when we played a 4-3, he was an OLB.
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I'd be willing to bet Orakpo would thrive as a 4-3 DE regardless of how much time he has spent at OLB... Kerrigan also IMO .. both played there in college and i still think they have the talent...
Agreed. I think Rak improves as DE and Kerrigan at least as good as he's been, which is totally solid.
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Rak.won't.be in.Washington after next yr
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Won't make much sense to let him walk. Plenty of cap space, LBs that can get you 10 sacks a year don't grow on trees.
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Word. Rak at DE and maybe rob Jackson at weak side LB could be pretty sweet.
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TheGoat posted about franchises being turned around completely within 3 years. I know that it's happened but I can't think of the team. I've said it on here many times, I once watched a very interesting show on the NFL network, about the NFL's most winning teams, and they all had nearly the same amount of time that it took to put the team together. They said between 5 and 7 years to where a team was consistent and in the playoffs every year.
Wow 5-7 yrs? I can't imagine any owner waiting that long to see results? At the same time there should be some noticable and consistent results during that span. Other than last years playoff berth (which is looking like an abberation) there hasn't been anything to make anyone think The Redskins are heading in the right direction.
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