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Old 11-09-2013, 02:23 PM   #391
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Well, can't say I was expecting that response...

Can you push him to reconsider?
Did you just ask if Smoot could make a coach reconsider for a coaching job in Washington half way through a season? lol
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Old 11-09-2013, 02:57 PM   #392
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Not to name drop, but I just talked to him about it yesterday. He's been open to it, but now he's really leaning toward no
Talking about Shaw right? Can you share why he's leaning toward no? Very cool you are privy to this stuff.

I would prefer we bring in a defensive minded HC with one of these offensive gurus at OC to work with RG. Do you think most college HC's would look at that scenario or do they expect HC right away?

Anyway, it's the defense that needs a whole hell of a lot of attention. Makes sense to bring a guy who will shore that up and let the OC and RG have total freedom with the offense.
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Did you just ask if Smoot could make a coach reconsider for a coaching job in Washington half way through a season? lol
Haha, yeah I understand that's a bit suspect after saying he's being coy for not saying anything during the season. But if we're having a coaching change this offseason, I'd like to get my top choice...
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Talking about Shaw right? Can you share why he's leaning toward no? Very cool you are privy to this stuff.

I would prefer we bring in a defensive minded HC with one of these offensive gurus at OC to work with RG. Do you think most college HC's would look at that scenario or do they expect HC right away?

Anyway, it's the defense that needs a whole hell of a lot of attention. Makes sense to bring a guy who will shore that up and let the OC and RG have total freedom with the offense.
Shaw is good friends with Bruce Allen, his wife is from the area, and he was the point person in heavily recruiting RG3 to Stanford (obviously didn't happen). So those were all reasons he was interested.

But the more he thinks about it he leans toward his first instinct, which is that he and his family are very happy out west and he just likes the college environment better
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Shaw is good friends with Bruce Allen, his wife is from the area, and he was the point person in heavily recruiting RG3 to Stanford (obviously didn't happen). So those were all reasons he was interested.

But the more he thinks about it he leans toward his first instinct, which is that he and his family are very happy out west and he just likes the college environment better
The west is the best....
Sounds like a smart guy.
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Cowher and Gruden are not coaching again and they shouldn't both have been gone for a while now
I don't agree. Gibbs was out of coaching. Left completely and started racing.

Cowher and Gruden are announcers, they study each team for their commentary, and still take the time to learn the X's and O's to be able to talk about what each team is doing. If anything they have had more time to study the game since their not having to coach players and run an organization.
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Does anyone think Shanny gets an extension this offseason?
I'm trying to make my way through this whole thread and didn't want to say anything until I reached the end but .....

Personally I think the offense has not been that bad. It started out rough and I think with getting our $40 mill to spend will help out a ton. Maybe pick up another top notch WR, pick up a couple "better" OL, and maybe trade Cousins for another draft pick and pick up another "mobile" QB to back up RG3. I might keep Cousins and replace our 3rd stringer with a mobile QB and try and get the Rookie QB up to speed.

Now for the BIG issue: DC. I would fire Haslett and replace him with someone other then anyone on the team currently. This is where Allen earns his keep and brings in a really good DC. 3/4, 4/3 I don't care but Haslett needs to go. His defenses ever since he's been here have been mediocre. I'd look for a top quality Special Teams Coordinator as well. Maybe a college coach for that position.

On another note, yes I'd extend MS but move him to solely take care of his front office responsibilities and to guide KS. I'd make KS a HC and let him pick his OC.

The good news.... the offense is putting up 20 to 30 points a game. Now we need a defense that can stop opponents and a special teams that can limit yardage and a punter that can boom kicks. .
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Well, I mean, it's really obvious that they've made better moves. Everybody knows that.

You not wanting to admit the situations were pretty freakin close doesn't make it less close. I'll agree to disagree on the point since I don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting you to revisit some of the key points of your understanding of the pre-Shanahan Redskins. Only time can do that. And even then, your heels are pretty dug in.

Let's move in this direction: the cap penalty. Who on this team (current member of the 53 man roster) is NOT here because we were too cap-strapped to replace them? Gumbs? Hall? Those are the only names I can think of where the Redskins didn't have a player to keep because they couldn't afford to overpay Aqib Talib or DaShon Goldson.

Like it or not, 50/53 players on this team would be here even without the cap penalty. We know that because we had legitimate, cheap competition during training camp, and chose the current roster over those guys.
I would have added Moss cause I thought they were looking at a WR who went to San Diego instead and I'd have to say the RT would have been someone else.
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Not sure if blowing it all up and starting over again from a coaching standpoint is the best route however it is hard to ignore stupid penalties, various mental errors, poor execution, and the inability to play 4 complete quarters. Never been a huge fan of Mike Shanahan but looking at his career, isn't this whats happening now the reason he was ran out of Denver? I do think Mike can coach some football, like him or not, the man has coached some of the game's best, been a part of highly successful football operations, and has been around a very long time. We have a very good offense, a trademark of Shanny teams, and he IMO completely screwed up the defense by 1) hiring Haslett, 2) forcing the 3-4 because it was "sexy" at the time. In his last few years in Denver, talented offenses and absolutely terrible defenses.

He has followed suit as well with player acquisitions. He has made some absolutely boneheaded decisions regarding players and coach selections, but has also made some saavy acquisitions as well. I'm okay if he finishes put his contract but am also okay with moving on and if we do decide to move on...it needs to be some one very confident and strong enough of a personality to deal with RGIII. Yes I said it . Love the guy and was ion cloud nine when we picked him and watched him lead us last year. With that said, he has slightly gotten on my nerves beginning with the campaign to play week one. He is starting to come of as a bit of a prima dona IMO. If we move on, in really would like to a Mike Tomlin or Tom Coughlin type of coach who will lay the law down and establish a culture of both nastiness and killer instinct. I dare say it...but...a Rex Ryan type would be a great fit. He completely annoys me but watching a few Jets games his players play like they would run through a brick wall for the guy...
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Old 11-09-2013, 10:43 PM   #400
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If we promote Kyle to HC I'll have to take a WP hiatus till he gets shit-canned in a year or two.

For the record, I don't dislike Mike because he's an asshole. Belichick's an asshole and I would love to have him for HC. Same goes for Jeff Fisher, Jim Schwartz and Gregg Williams from what you hear. Take any of those cats over Shanny too, because all those guys have done far more impressive things in the last decade. Shanny's been terriible since 2005 and before that he had a lot of help being in a weak division. He's in the weakest division in football and and is still losing. What he's earned in the last decade is probably an OC gig at an already SB contending team. He hasn't won more than ten games in a season since 05' either.

Kyle probably deserves an OC gig somewhere too.

Could we keep one of them for OC? It'd seem weird because the new HC isn't Kyle. The plan didn't work.
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Not to name drop, but I just talked to him about it yesterday. He's been open to it, but now he's really leaning toward no
You're not @TMM75 on twitter, are you?

Otherwise, Shaw is a bit of a chatty Cathy...

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I would have added Moss cause I thought they were looking at a WR who went to San Diego instead and I'd have to say the RT would have been someone else.
That's fair, but they could have released Moss for the cap room anyway. Royal wasn't available this offseason, but similar players were.
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If we promote Kyle to HC I'll have to take a WP hiatus till he gets shit-canned in a year or two.

For the record, I don't dislike Mike because he's an asshole. Belichick's an asshole and I would love to have him for HC. Same goes for Jeff Fisher, Jim Schwartz and Gregg Williams from what you hear. Take any of those cats over Shanny too, because all those guys have done far more impressive things in the last decade. Shanny's been terriible since 2005 and before that he had a lot of help being in a weak division. He's in the weakest division in football and and is still losing. What he's earned in the last decade is probably an OC gig at an already SB contending team. He hasn't won more than ten games in a season since 05' either.

Kyle probably deserves an OC gig somewhere too.

Could we keep one of them for OC? It'd seem weird because the new HC isn't Kyle. The plan didn't work.
I like to all of the Shanahan's go.. the whole coaching staff needs to go.
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Atlanta might be our only possible win left on the schedule. Does 4-12 guarantee whole coaching staff turnover? (Question applies to both Skins and falcons)

Hard to see Mike Smith getting the boot. No idea what happens with us though. I'll say this, it'd be a travesty to see us miss out on another quality HC. We've missed so many great opportunities waiting for Shanny to figure things out.

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Sometimes it feels easier to envision myself either not watching football ever again or turning coats and changing team loyalty vs the likelihood of ever finding a winning combination of talent and coaching to make this team and franchise to not be the laughing stock of the sports world.

Blow it up. Don't enable and reward this George Hamilton wannabe, his boy wonder son, and Andy Dick looking DC. They don't belong in their current positions in the NFL.
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