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Old 11-13-2013, 10:52 AM   #451
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I'm still on the fence, I think the team needs to show something in these last 7 games.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:20 AM   #452
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Welcome Starry Plough! I'm in the category of keeping Mike Shanahan for at least his last season. My thoughts seem to be that Mike is "hands off" when it comes to the defense. I'm sure he has some input into bringing defensive personnel to the team, but I tend to believe that he relies heavily on Jim Haslett to take care of that side of the ball. I might be completely wrong on that, but it seems that way considering how much more improved the offense is compared to the defense.

When Joe Gibbs was coaching in his second tenure, the main complaint amongst many Redskins fans here was that his offense was anemic. The defense was always a top 10 defense [Gregg Williams being the DC] that kept the Redskins in every game they played, but the offense was unspectacular. We even had fans saying they'd rather see the Redskins lose but put up 30+ points and be entertained than what they were seeing out of Joe Gibbs' teams.

With that said, we ['skins fans] have gotten what we have asked for. An offense that can move the ball easily and put up points, an offense that entertains us and is spectacular, but a team that still finds ways to lose games. I would probably ask those 'skins fans who were the loudest boo birds during the Gibbs' era, how entertained are you now?

Where I think Mike's downfall lies is that he expects the defensive coordinator to be in full control; to bring in the guys on defense he wants, to bring in the defensive philosophy that he feels works best, and to have the defense playing top ten football. That hasn't happened. So, do we blame Mike Shanahan for the defense, or do we blame the front office for supplying Mike with Jim Haslett? I guess that is the real question. If it was the front office telling Mike that Jim is the best option, roll with Haslett and see what he can do for you, then I find it difficult to blame Shanahan for Haslett's inability to improve the defense.

That's why I feel the 'skins keep Mike Shanahan with the caveat that Jim Haslett is jettisoned by the end of the season in favor of a better defensive coordinator, or that if the 'skins keep Jim Haslett on, Mike Shanahan becomes more involved on the defensive side of the ball, because obviously Haslett needs help.
Gibbs 2.0 is a big part of why this organization is still playing talent catch-up.
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Gibbs second run was ages ago in football terms. Time to put that in the rearview. What's happened in the last 3-4 years is much more relevant.
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Gibbs took the team to 2 playoff appearances
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Gibbs second run was ages ago in football terms. Time to put that in the rearview. What's happened in the last 3-4 years is much more relevant.
Of course its more relevant because its more recent but instead of helping to dig the Skins out of the hole, Gibbs 2.0 dig it even deeper.
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Of course its more relevant because its more recent but instead of helping to dig the Skins out of the hole, Gibbs 2.0 dig it even deeper.
What sort of long term effects are we still feeling from 6 years ago?
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Of course its more relevant because its more recent but instead of helping to dig the Skins out of the hole, Gibbs 2.0 dig it even deeper.
Man your talking about ancient history. The Saints went from 3-13 to SB champions in the span of 4 years, I think that shows just how quick you can turn things around in the NFL. If Gibbs did mess up the roster that badly, which he didn't, we've easily had more than enough time to turn it around. Fletcher and Moss are the only two players remaining from that era.
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What sort of long term effects are we still feeling from 6 years ago?
Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:42 PM   #459
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Some of the positions coaches need to go. Slowik should not be coaching linebackers and really doesn't have a place on this staff unless its special teams coach. Kerrigan and Rack have regressed IMO. Mike Singletary or Monte Coleman, Someone who played the position and talk about secondary move to get to the QB
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Its all those given away draft picks and young players that might have been Skins who might now be leaders on this team. Of course its impossible to know what might have been I feel like the Skins could have built their future through the draft and develop their team the way other successful teams do. Kind of like compounded interest on a savings account.
Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.
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Or Manny Diaz formerly of Texas would be a good add
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Well said, and all those factor add up, even though it seems like there are people who discount all or some of it. I don't know about an extension, but it sure seems like MS ought to get to finish his contract.
This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.
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The cap hit, previous regime mistakes, or anything else "circumstantial" has absolutely no bearing on team preparedness, discipline, intensity, clock management, current coaching failures (play-calling, scheme). In those categories, we're among the very worst in the league, and again they have nothing to do with anything pre-Shanahan.

But some of you are right, you/I/we don't know what the problem is at Redskins park or how it gets solved. The problem, and this really is what coaching is all about, is it looks less and less like anyone currently on staff knows how to fix it either. Week after week, season after season, we the same piss poor stuff.
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This may be more of a perception thing than anything, but I feel like adding a number of small excuses together just gives you a larger pile of excuses. As opposed to something more substantial like a pattern. But again, that's probably a perception thing. Ultimately, it's going to be results that fuel decision-making.
I don't look at the things I listed as "small" or excuses. I just see them as part of the hand MS was delt.

I am also of the opinion that at least with the same HC we can keep as sense of continuity. I know that it can be said that why would we want to continue this, but in all fairness I want MS to have a fair shot at turning this around for SUSTAINED success and to this point I don't think we can say that.
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Of course that's assuming they would have hit home runs on all those picks.

Besides, every new regime typically turns over a roster within a few years as they bring in their own guys.

This is clearly Mike's mess right now. Whether he gets to stay on to clean it up is the question.
I'm not surprised you see the draft how you do as the Skins are always so short on picks that they have to hit a HR on the couple of picks they have in order to get any benefit from the draft. That makes the fans think the if all picks arent HRs then the draft was a failure. The draft is not about hitting HRs on all the picks, its about having lots of picks to maximize the chance of hitting maybe 1 or 2 HRs.

This is Shanny's team now but had Spurrier, Zorn & Gibbs not turned this team into a talent wasteland then MS wouldnt have had so far to go to bring this team back to competitive.

MS has finally gotten this team moving in the right direction and understand how to balance the draft with FAs. He should finish out his contract and see where the team stands then decide. The last thing this organization needs is to begin the revolving door and hot coach du jour again.
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