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Old 11-14-2013, 08:54 AM   #496
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:22 AM   #497
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Carroll turned that roster over very effectively, and very quickly.

I just don't agree they had much talent to begin with, he pretty much gutted that team. If anything you should give him more credit for really putting his stamp on them. He's also one of the few guys in the league along with Shanahan that has almost total control. I thought you weren't a fan of that setup?
PC did turnover the roster but they had some decent talent when he came in since they won their division in 2003,4,5,6,7 and went to SB XL in 2006. Obviously the were a perennial playoff contender when he took over. Not quite the case when MS took over the Skins.
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PC did turnover the roster but they had some decent talent when he came in since they won their division in 2003,4,5,6,7 and went to SB XL in 2006. Obviously the were a perennial playoff contender when he took over. Not quite the case when MS took over the Skins.
Not quite. They were coming off a 5 win season in 2009 and a 4 win season in 2008.
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At this point extend him and give him a 'normal' offseason without reduced free agency (2010), lockout (2011), cap penalty (2012) and cap penalty + franchise QB recovering from surgery (2013). I get that it's making excuses but they also cannot be ignored when evaluating the team and results, especially considering the dumpster fire he inherited. Give him a 1-2 yr extension (with the contingency he replace Burns and probably Haslett) so it doesn't scare off free agents, if he craps the bed again next year just pull the chute then.
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Not quite. They were coming off a 5 win season in 2009 and a 4 win season in 2008.
Wow, I am amazed anyone would think a team that made the playoffs in 5 of 7 years and went to a SB wasnt a perennial playoff contender.
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Wow, I am amazed anyone would think a team that made the playoffs in 5 of 7 years and went to a SB wasnt a perennial playoff contender.
That team was in serious decline by the time he got there, why do you think they hired a new HC that came in and cleaned house?
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That team was in serious decline by the time he got there, why do you think they hired a new HC that came in and cleaned house?
What you say is true but that doesnt take away the fact that they had been making regular playoff appearances and a SB. The bottom line is that when PC went to Seattle their team/organization was no where near as destroyed as what MS took over when he came to Wash. Nobody could turn around almost 20 years of demolition in 3 or 4 years.
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What you say is true but that doesnt take away the fact that they had been making regular playoff appearances and a SB. The bottom line is that when PC went to Seattle their team/organization was no where near as destroyed as what MS took over when he came to Wash. Nobody could turn around almost 20 years of demolition in 3 or 4 years.
I'm having trouble understanding how a SB run in 2005 contributed in any way to Carroll totally revamping that team 5 years later. Again, that team was in decline when he got there, he flipped the roster and built a winner from top to bottom in that organization.

I can see if he came in and made minimal changes, but he didn't. He gutted that team from day one. Past success or failures had nothing to do with him turning them around.

It's quite possible to turn a team around in 3-4 years. Carroll is proof of that.
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I'm having trouble understanding how a SB run in 2005 contributed in any way to Carroll totally revamping that team 5 years later. Again, that team was in decline when he got there, he flipped the roster and built a winner from top to bottom in that organization.

I can see if he came in and made minimal changes, but he didn't. He gutted that team from day one. Past success or failures had nothing to do with him turning them around.

It's quite possible to turn a team around in 3-4 years. Carroll is proof of that.
Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.
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My bottom line thought on the coaching is no way our team should be playing this bad and this inconsistent. There is no excuse for this bad
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I'm hoping they do touch the offense actually. Seeing our smaller, lighter oline get trucked, especially on passing downs, and our franchise QB get trucked shortly thereafter, game after game, I'm not a believer in Mikes version of the zone blocking system. And I think Alfmo will be a great back behind any (good oline). And we all agree wr talent needs to be added. So there's plenty of touching required on offense and defense.

This notion recently sprung up that our offense good to go, this same offense that could only score 3 points in a half against the lowly Vikings, already has my ass twitching.
This is such a ridiculously retarded post that I can't comment on what you suggest with a straight face. Let's get rid of RGIII....LOL!!! Which brings me to my next point, kids, don't do drugs.
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PC did turnover the roster but they had some decent talent when he came in since they won their division in 2003,4,5,6,7 and went to SB XL in 2006. Obviously the were a perennial playoff contender when he took over. Not quite the case when MS took over the Skins.
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Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.
You don't seem to realize the team Carroll runs now is completely different from the one that went to the SB in 2005. The front office on down, it's a new organization. So again I'll ask, what does that 2005 SB team and a few playoff runs have to do with what Carroll has been able to accomplish there?

Past successes or failures don't have an impact on the future of a team once a new regime has been in place for a reasonable amount of time and had time to turn over the roster. It's just excuses.
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Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.
I do agree that the Redskins situation is more complex than Seattle's, however, we made the playoffs in 2007 as well, it is not like we weren't a decent football team 6 years ago. To suggest that Mike is cleaning up messes from 8 years ago much less 20 is incorrect.
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