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Old 11-14-2013, 10:52 AM   #511
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I do agree that the Redskins situation is more complex than Seattle's, however, we made the playoffs in 2007 as well, it is not like we weren't a decent football team 6 years ago. To suggest that Mike is cleaning up messes from 8 years ago much less 20 is incorrect.
Exactly what I'm saying.

Outside of Moss and I believe K. Golston this team has been completely revamped under Shanahan's watch.

And we're supposed to believe what's holding us back right now is something that happened 10-20 years ago? Heck even 6-7 years ago under Gibbs? Considering the average player lasts 3 seasons that's two generations ago in football terms.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:59 AM   #512
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Like who?
BTW, on the subject of the Seattle Seahawks, here is their 2005 Super Bowl Roster:

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2009 Roster

2010 roster when Pete Carroll Took over:

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And their 2013 Roster:

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So if we look at the first year that Pete Carroll took over in 2010, there is a HUGE difference between that roster and the Super Bowl roster. Even so, there is a big difference between the 2009 roster and the 2010 roster. Honestly, looking at the differences between the rosters from 2005 onto the present, it doesn't support the theory that Pete Carroll was left with a core group of guys left over from the Super Bowl and playoff teams that he built the team around. Carroll did completely gut the team. If there is anybody left over from those playoff teams, you're talking about one, maybe two players at most.
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Exactly what I'm saying.

Outside of Moss and I believe K. Golston this team has been completely revamped under Shanahan's watch.

And we're supposed to believe what's holding us back right now is something that happened 10-20 years ago? Heck even 6-7 years ago under Gibbs? Considering the average player lasts 3 seasons that's two generations ago in football terms.
Agreed. There is absolutely nothing from even 6 years ago that has to do with the current Redskins roster. The issues that the team is having is the roster and/or coaches on the defensive side of the ball and special teams. Replace those coaches and revamp that squad and this team is easily a perennial playoff team.
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Exactly what I'm saying.

Outside of Moss and I believe K. Golston this team has been completely revamped under Shanahan's watch.

And we're supposed to believe what's holding us back right now is something that happened 10-20 years ago? Heck even 6-7 years ago under Gibbs? Considering the average player lasts 3 seasons that's two generations ago in football terms.
Of course this is a completely different team from a few years ago. What I'm talking about is how losing and winning can create a culture. That's how things that happened 2, 4, 6, 10 years ago can impact today's team.

There's a reason that team's like Denver and NE consistently win over long periods of time and with lots of different players and it because of their culture of winning.Teams like Oak, Wash and Clev have developed cultures of losing and because of that they continue to lose no matter who is on the roster.

Shanny has seemed to start to turn the Skins now ingrained culture of losing into a culture of winning. This change wont happen overnight and it wont be a linear progression but IMO its starting to happen.
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Seattle was in a 2 year decline when PC came in. Wash was in a 20 year decline when MS took over. The situations are not comparable in any way.
But like Matty sAid the superbowl run had nothing to do with what PC inherited. Who cares if it had been 2 years or 20? A team in decline is a team in decline. The situations as far as recent success arent comparable, but the situations as far as what was there when Shanny and PC took over are completely comparable.
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Of course this is a completely different team from a few years ago. What I'm talking about is how losing and winning can create a culture. That's how things that happened 2, 4, 6, 10 years ago can impact today's team.

There's a reason that team's like Denver and NE consistently win over long periods of time and with lots of different players and it because of their culture of winning.Teams like Oak, Wash and Clev have developed cultures of losing and because of that they continue to lose no matter who is on the roster.

Shanny has seemed to start to turn the Skins now ingrained culture of losing into a culture of winning. This change wont happen overnight and it wont be a linear progression but IMO its starting to happen.
The reason New England has sustained success over a long period of time is Tom Brady, not a "culture" of winning. When did Denver sustained such a run? Since Peyton got there they have been good - last year and this year. I think you are greatly over estimating the "winning breeds winning" theory. That holds true maybe over the course of a season, but not over the course of years. Even the Steelers had lousy teams for a decade or so in their history.
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This is such a ridiculously retarded post that I can't comment on what you suggest with a straight face. Let's get rid of RGIII....LOL!!! Which brings me to my next point, kids, don't do drugs.
Usually just add schmuck like you to my ignore list and move on, but in this case I'm responding because there's absolutely nothing about what I said to indicate getting rid of RG.

Changing the offense to protect him for the long term, absolutely.

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Of course this is a completely different team from a few years ago. What I'm talking about is how losing and winning can create a culture. That's how things that happened 2, 4, 6, 10 years ago can impact today's team.

There's a reason that team's like Denver and NE consistently win over long periods of time and with lots of different players and it because of their culture of winning.Teams like Oak, Wash and Clev have developed cultures of losing and because of that they continue to lose no matter who is on the roster.

Shanny has seemed to start to turn the Skins now ingrained culture of losing into a culture of winning. This change wont happen overnight and it wont be a linear progression but IMO its starting to happen.
Funny how our culture of winning in the 80s didn't carry over once Gibbs left.

I wonder why.
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^was wondering myself where he came up with "get rid of rg-3"?
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Agree Punch it in. If you want to talk about continuity and success, the Pats have had the leadership constant for over a decade.The Ravens could switch coaches and still succeed because the leadership and FO game plan never changed they are actually an anomaly in the NFL. Every team will go through rough patches. Like you said the Steelers didn't win didly squat their first 35 years of existence then they had the 70s and were quiet again till the mid 90s.
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Funny how our culture of winning in the 80s didn't carry over once Gibbs left.

I wonder why.
This is an exception to the rule. We all know players and coaches dont breed winning, its who the Universe deems worthy!
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The Patriots won 11 games (I think?) with Matt Cassell. There's more to that org than Brady.

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Usually just add schmuck like you to my ignore list and move on, but in this case I'm responding because there's absolutely nothing about what I said to indicate getting rid of RG.

Changing the offense to protect him for the long term, absolutely.

So long.
I went back and re-read your post. I apologize. Your use of "trucked" to me meant getting rid of. As in "trucking something out of town". That's where I assumed you meant getting rid of RGIII. But I'll say, it's not logical to complain about Mike's Zone Blocking scheme when it actually has been working. Alfred Morris rushing for over 1600 yards last year, and having another impressive year this year - the scheme is working fine. It's pass protection that's the issue, and that's coming from a lack in talent all across the line, not the scheme. These guys excel in run blocking, but not in pass blocking.
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The Patriots won 11 games (I think?) with Matt Cassell. There's more to that org than Brady.
They did win 11 that year and ironically missed the playoffs. That was on the back of their undefeated season so there was definitely more than just Tom Brady at work on that team.
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Funny how our culture of winning in the 80s didn't carry over once Gibbs left.

I wonder why.
If what John Kent Cooke said was true, it sounds like the 'skins very nearly didn't have that winning culture in the 80's. Jack wanted Gibbs gone after the 0-5 start. I seem to wonder if Jack had actually acted upon his tendencies and fired Gibbs, would he have had the same tendencies that we felt Daniel Snyder has, which would be to switch coaches ever few years? After Gibbs retired, Pettibon had one chance and he was out. Provided, that was the worst year I had ever witnessed as a Redskins fan, but still, one shot and Richie was done. I think Norv got more of a chance because John was transitioning into being the owner and Jack was in failing health, but it sometimes makes me wonder what if Joe wasn't given that chance to turn things around in his first year.

That's why I keep going back to this thing with Mike Shanahan. Like Gibbs II before, Shanahan had more to do than simply coming in and coaching the team. It is/was a complete overhaul of the franchise. Why do people think switching a coach every three years helps with the overhaul process?
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